US Politics Thread 2021-24 - Page 44

MaDef · 02-11-21, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

It's an impeachment trial, not a law being created to abridge freedom of speech. He was free to say what he did but not free of consequences.

I was probably a bit obtuse in my post, but if you think this impeachment won't have a chilling effect on the first amendment for the rest of the country, then you are willfully ignoring human nature along with 5,000 years of recorded history.

ET2SN · 02-11-21, 09:18 AM

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Sonicfire1981 · 02-11-21, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDef

I was probably a bit obtuse in my post, but if you think this impeachment won't have a chilling effect on the first amendment for the rest of the country, then you are willfully ignoring human nature along with 5,000 years of recorded history.

Look how he did not say:

"I, Donald John Trump do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, unless the constitution is stupid because I was voted out in which case I will much rather exercise my right to incite a mob to attack the capitol in the hopes they will throw out all votes and appoint me their leader for as long as I like.

So help me god."

u crank · 02-11-21, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

It was close but the insurrection failed and the Republic still stands.

With all due respect I don't think that there was the slightest chance that the Republic would fall on Jan. 6th. It would take a lot more than an unruly and destructive mob to accomplish that.

Sonicfire1981 · 02-11-21, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by u crank

With all due respect I don't think that there was the slightest chance that the Republic would fall on Jan. 6th. It would take a lot more than an unruly and destructive mob to accomplish that.

In a way it did; as it stands it seems to be acceptable for a president to send a violent mob after his opponents if he's not pleased with the election. Because had they reached pelosi, pence, romney etc. - a lot more blood would have been spilled.

Democracy is not the rule of the one with the most violent followers. Which one would you rather have?

Bilge_Rat · 02-11-21, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Sonicfire1981

...as it stands it seems to be acceptable for a president to send a violent mob after his opponents if he's not pleased with the election...

well no, that is never acceptable, but that is not what happened and no amount of fact twisting and outright lying by the Democrats is going to change that.

The former President will be acquitted, that is a foregone conclusion.

u crank · 02-11-21, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Sonicfire1981

In a way it did;

Sorry no. Your definition of the Republic falling would have to be explained. No such thing happened.

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as it stands it seems to be acceptable for a president to send a violent mob after his opponents if he's not pleased with the election.

There is no proof that this was the case. In order for that to be true you would have to have a clear command by Trump to do so. Can you quote such a statement? And it can't be an ambiguous statement. It has to be specific such as "ok go to the Capital and kill some members of Congress." There also has to be intent. Can you or anyone prove that it was Trump's intent to cause anyone physical harm or do damage to property? Again you need irrefutable evidence of this. Is there any? On the contrary we have Trump urging the listeners to behave in a peaceful manner. The fact that they behaved differently is on them.

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Because had they reached pelosi, pence, romney etc. - a lot more blood would have been spilled.

As any jive lawyer would say "pure speculation your Honor".

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Democracy is not the rule of the one with the most violent followers. Which one would you rather have?

I hope that you are not suggesting that there are violent followers on only one side of the American political divide are you?

MaDef · 02-11-21, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Sonicfire1981

Look how he did not say:

"I, Donald John Trump do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, unless the constitution is stupid because I was voted out in which case I will much rather exercise my right to incite a mob to attack the capitol in the hopes they will throw out all votes and appoint me their leader for as long as I like.

So help me god."

Your point being?

The only reason for this second "impeachment", is an attempt to prevent Trump from running in 2024.

FYI: Grover Cleveland lost his re-election bid in 1888 due to voter fraud. He was elected for a second term in 1892.

Buddahaid · 02-11-21, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDef

Your point being?

The only reason for this second "impeachment", is an attempt to prevent Trump from running in 2024.

FYI: Grover Cleveland lost his re-election bid in 1888 due to voter fraud. He was elected for a second term in 1892.

I used to think that. Now I think it's more about making the GOP take sides.

u crank · 02-11-21, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

The former President will be acquitted, that is a foregone conclusion.

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"This particular impeachment ... seems especially half-baked to me, in the sense the House acted in desperate haste to try to get it under the wire before the president had actually left the office, and it's a single count. There was no investigation, no hearings, no witnesses called, no nothing, and they sent the whole thing over to the Senate, where there is no indication that enough Republicans would join Democrats to create the two-thirds needed to convict."

Brit Hume - Fox News

Some facts we are not getting on CNN.

AVGWarhawk · 02-11-21, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by u crank

Some facts we are not getting on CNN.

Say it ain't so?????

Sonicfire1981 · 02-11-21, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by u crank

I hope that you are not suggesting that there are violent followers on only one side of the American political divide are you?

I do. By the bahaviour of most republican senators, reading books, feet on their desks etc. they seem to be thinking their live were never in danger during the insurection.
(as a sidenote: what would you do with your kids behaving like this while in a private school that costs you a fortune? would they be allowed to stay at that school?)
If they had the slightest worry such event could occur again, only with - say - Bidens followers, they would be a lot more interested in a thorough investigation of the event.
So not even Ted Cruz thinks there are equally violent followers on the other side.

Sonicfire1981 · 02-11-21, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by u crank

Some facts we are not getting on CNN.

Only CNN is news, fox news is commentary. On the first night of the Trial they had the story of a man using dog shampoo. Second night "the broken promises of Joe Biden". Not the trial - trivia.

AVGWarhawk · 02-11-21, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sonicfire1981

Only CNN is news,

Buddahaid · 02-11-21, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sonicfire1981

Only CNN is news, fox news is commentary. On the first night of the Trial they had the story of a man using dog shampoo. Second night "the broken promises of Joe Biden". Not the trial - trivia.

You made the wild night avatar today!

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