Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2 - Page 436

Dargo · 02-28-25, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

Meine Fresse, ich glaub' ich spinne.

Disgusting what the Americans do. The two at the top doing it. So many others letting it happen, applauding it. Shame on you all.

Today, anti-Americanism has experienced an enormous upswing in Europe.

And rightly so.

Fascist Russia celebrates. Veterans of the Normandy landings turn in their graves.

This carricature of a US president is just a disgrace.

His buddy Vladimir still canÂ’t believe his luck. He must be grinning from one ear to the other when watching how this psychopath complements Russian strategy.

This is beyond repair, I think, and tovarishch Donny the Monumental is deeply offended in his infinite narcissistic ego. Immoral psychopath that he is he will seek revenge and possibvly even active punishment.

We saw a president (Zelenskyy) who initially did his best to choose his words carefully to appease Trump and keep him on his side. He did the same after Trump called him dictator. But when diplomacy was hammered again from Vice President Vance, Zelenskyy had had enough. He said: ‘What are you talking about? We've been trying that for 10 years.' You could see a Zelenskyy struggling to hold back any longer. Then it became an argument in front of the camera. The first reactions I get from Ukraine is that people are dumbfounded. They also feel it's a betrayal as if the vice president and president together had cooked up something against Zelensky.

Completely unexpected this is not coming with Trump you never know, he turns like the wind. Actually, it is pure intimidation politics. He is trying to corner the weak party to such an extent with the aim of benefiting himself in terms of resources and spheres of influence. Zelenskyy's strong stance towards Trump is in painful contrast to President Emmanuel Macron and British Prime Minister Keir Starmer's sweet-talking approach towards the US president. Zelenskyy is bold, he already was by declaring that Ukraine would return 100 billion to the US instead of 500 billion as Trump demanded. Zelenskyy also said the current oil projects were not included in that payoff. He had dragged that in any way, but as you can see, awards are handed out at the meet. Now the game begins again from scratch. In any case, the failed meeting between Trump and Zelenskyy seems to be a firm dash to a possible peace deal. I think they don't know where to crawl with laughter in Moscow at the moment.

mapuc · 02-28-25, 02:52 PM

What's going through his(Trump) mind ?

USA is out, he said - Which must mean Europe has to lift the burden themselves. Something they can't.

Or can they ?

Zelenskyy should be gambling with WW3 and I who thought it was Putin who was gambling with WW3.

Markus

Skybird · 02-28-25, 02:55 PM

I see this also as a psychologist and I have said repeatedly that Trump is not just a psychopath but also extremely vindictive, revengeful. He has never forgiven that Zelenskyi did not help him, as demanded, to construct a case against Biden in 2019, and he attributes his lost election a year later also to Zelenskyi refusing to interfere with this innerpolitical topic of the US. And for that he wants revenge, for that he now wants the total and unconditional subjugation of Ukraine and Zelenskyi. On their knees he wants them, rueful tears in her eyes, thankfully smilling in their humiliation.

Trump is no genius. He has no great realistic plan. He's just a sick lunatic, it's as simple as that. And in a deranged society that has completely lost its mind, a lunatic is sometimes mistaken for a savior. We must finally stop accusing him of having great flashes of inspiration, a great vision, a godlike insight. The man is simply insane, broken, stupid, and has increasingly obvious cognitive and intellectual age-related total lapses, like Biden before him. A rotten little vindictive psychopath, that's all. And it's not going to get better, because he's degenerating, age-related. It's going to get worse.

The question is, will we all come out of this in one piece? The American checks and balances are failing, once again. The disaster is already in the house, and it is not being contained effectively. And the fall does not end with the end of Trunmps life or term - he already grows his follow-ups. God have mercy on us all.

Skybird · 02-28-25, 03:07 PM

[Focus]For Thomas Jäger, one of the most renowned experts on US politics, the scandal is part of a calculated PR campaign. Trump is following a manuscript, Jäger told FOCUS online: “It's the script of a TV showman who knows a thing or two about staging.” For Jäger, it is clear what is behind this staging. Trump had the conditions for a deal dictated to him by Putin: Ukraine would have to vacate all provinces in the east, no Nato troops would be allowed to be stationed in Ukraine and Ukraine would have to be demilitarized. As Putin does not enjoy a good reputation as a deal partner in the USA either, Trump could only sell this deal to his country if he humiliated Ukraine and portrayed it as ungrateful and disgusting.
The scandal is a disaster for Selenskyj. “He can't do much more. He can only hope that the Europeans will influence Trump. But I don't see that as a reliable strategy.

He can therefore only hope that the Europeans will take Europe's security into their own hands and that starts with Ukraine.” It now depends all the more on the Europeans. They would have to “get into action” even faster than previously assumed. Hopes that it would somehow still be possible to have constructive talks with Trump regarding Ukraine had been “reduced to rubble”. “This evening shows once and for all that you can no longer rely on the Americans.”
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Dargo · 02-28-25, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

Zelenskyy should be gambling with WW3 and I who thought it was Putin who was gambling with WW3.
Markus

This is not a world war this is a regional war none of the world powers are directly involved, so saying Zelenskyy risk WW3 is saying the US, Russia and China goes to war with each other. It is rhetoric, nothing more. At most, this is a proxy war that we fought on both sides for +70 years during the Cold War.

mapuc · 02-28-25, 03:15 PM

Was this expected or did Zelenskyy enter the Oval office with a positive
mindset ? Hoping a deal would be made, so he could get weapon and ammo from USA.

He was told to return, when he was ready for peace-What peace and under which terms ?

Markus

mapuc · 02-28-25, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dargo

This is not a world war this is a regional war none of the world powers are directly involved, so saying Zelenskyy risk WW3 is saying the US, Russia and China goes to war with each other. It is rhetoric, nothing more. At most, this is a proxy war that we fought on both sides for +70 years during the Cold War.

Here we disagree-I say we are fighting a WW3 by proxy.

The war is fought in Ukraine with a lot of countries sending military and economic aid to Ukraine, while others like Iran is helping Russia.

Markus

Dargo · 02-28-25, 03:19 PM

We agree to disagree.

Dargo · 02-28-25, 03:28 PM

Skybird · 02-28-25, 04:25 PM

Just as Hitler came to an agreement with the Soviet dictator Stalin about the division of Poland, Trump came to an agreement with the Russian dictator Putin about the division of Ukraine and its resources. Hiostory does nto repeat itself. But it follows similar patterns. The rescuers of back then, today are the evildoers of the present.

All that is required of the Ukrainians is to submit humbly, to go down silently and patiently, to sacrifice themselves for the rotten agenda of the great Donald, and please not to make such a fuss while they are being reduced to rubble and the people are being slaughtered. They should really be grateful for all of this! The Russian shoots the victim, the American plunders the carcass. Great, these two have found each other.

Bravo Donny. History will remember you according to the standards of the company you aspired to. Anyone who mocks and lectures the victim of an assassination attempt, who is lying on the ground bleeding and still twitching and practically unable to defend himmself, while emptying his pockets and plunder its gold, is really the last dirt on earth.

The two-headed scum that wanted to lecture Zelenkyi, Trump and Vance, they really are the last pack of rats. They should be thrown to the rats themselves. I just doubt that rats eat such filth. These are clever animals, very clever in fact.

Skybird · 02-28-25, 04:33 PM

It is unbelievable, even in the German media there are comments blaming Zelenskyi for Trump's and Vance's outbursts. Shameful. Has cowardice now devoured the last person's mind? I am disgusted by these people.

Dargo · 02-28-25, 04:33 PM

Dargo · 02-28-25, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

It is unbelievable, even in the German media there are comments blaming Zelenskyi for Trump's and Vance's outbursts. Shameful. Has cowardice now devoured the last person's mind? I am disgusted by these people.

You saw two cowards attack a war hero, they are so utterly of this world they did not even thanked him for the service served these two traitors... that was it be proud America and good luck with your orange saviour.

Zelenskyy: have you been to Ukraine?
Vance: I watched the story...

Really? When did Trump ask the American people if they wanted to join Putin's side?

Catfish · 02-28-25, 05:00 PM

Anyone noticed the visit of the russian delegation in the white house a few days ago? Donny you traitor, you have been bought long ago.

Skybird · 02-28-25, 05:01 PM

We in Europe must now learn in world record time to become militarily serious again, serious enough to be deterring for Russia. At least this miserable seat we are in is not America's guilt, we have nothing but ourselves to point finger at for this failure of ours. A military rearming can only be had at massive debts, I fear, and so the price is a dramatical rise of risks for economic turmoil in the forseeable future.

We must also get away from dependency on US weapons. When I recently red that the British must send their nuclear subs for long interval maintenance to the US, and for their SLBMs anyway, I just shook my head.

And we must get rid of Windows and other such stuff. I mean that serious. Its a weapon in US hands pointed at us.

BTW, got a new laptop today (for non-gaming), for a smile price deal (discontinued model), an Acer Aspire A517 i5-12450. I set it up on Linux, of course. Tomorrow it will get further stealthed. And my next smartphone will be a de-androdized device. Windows, pah. Its an attack on all the world - with friendly greetings from the NSA and the US State Department.

02-28-25, 02:52 PM	#6527
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,543 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	What's going through his(Trump) mind ? USA is out, he said - Which must mean Europe has to lift the burden themselves. Something they can't. Or can they ? Zelenskyy should be gambling with WW3 and I who thought it was Putin who was gambling with WW3. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

02-28-25, 02:55 PM	#6528
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,680 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I see this also as a psychologist and I have said repeatedly that Trump is not just a psychopath but also extremely vindictive, revengeful. He has never forgiven that Zelenskyi did not help him, as demanded, to construct a case against Biden in 2019, and he attributes his lost election a year later also to Zelenskyi refusing to interfere with this innerpolitical topic of the US. And for that he wants revenge, for that he now wants the total and unconditional subjugation of Ukraine and Zelenskyi. On their knees he wants them, rueful tears in her eyes, thankfully smilling in their humiliation. Trump is no genius. He has no great realistic plan. He's just a sick lunatic, it's as simple as that. And in a deranged society that has completely lost its mind, a lunatic is sometimes mistaken for a savior. We must finally stop accusing him of having great flashes of inspiration, a great vision, a godlike insight. The man is simply insane, broken, stupid, and has increasingly obvious cognitive and intellectual age-related total lapses, like Biden before him. A rotten little vindictive psychopath, that's all. And it's not going to get better, because he's degenerating, age-related. It's going to get worse. The question is, will we all come out of this in one piece? The American checks and balances are failing, once again. The disaster is already in the house, and it is not being contained effectively. And the fall does not end with the end of Trunmps life or term - he already grows his follow-ups. God have mercy on us all. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

02-28-25, 03:07 PM	#6529
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,680 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	[Focus]For Thomas Jäger, one of the most renowned experts on US politics, the scandal is part of a calculated PR campaign. Trump is following a manuscript, Jäger told FOCUS online: “It's the script of a TV showman who knows a thing or two about staging.” For Jäger, it is clear what is behind this staging. Trump had the conditions for a deal dictated to him by Putin: Ukraine would have to vacate all provinces in the east, no Nato troops would be allowed to be stationed in Ukraine and Ukraine would have to be demilitarized. As Putin does not enjoy a good reputation as a deal partner in the USA either, Trump could only sell this deal to his country if he humiliated Ukraine and portrayed it as ungrateful and disgusting. The scandal is a disaster for Selenskyj. “He can't do much more. He can only hope that the Europeans will influence Trump. But I don't see that as a reliable strategy. He can therefore only hope that the Europeans will take Europe's security into their own hands and that starts with Ukraine.” It now depends all the more on the Europeans. They would have to “get into action” even faster than previously assumed. Hopes that it would somehow still be possible to have constructive talks with Trump regarding Ukraine had been “reduced to rubble”. “This evening shows once and for all that you can no longer rely on the Americans.” ------------------------ __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

02-28-25, 03:15 PM	#6531
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,543 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Was this expected or did Zelenskyy enter the Oval office with a positive mindset ? Hoping a deal would be made, so he could get weapon and ammo from USA. He was told to return, when he was ready for peace-What peace and under which terms ? Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

02-28-25, 04:25 PM	#6535
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,680 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Just as Hitler came to an agreement with the Soviet dictator Stalin about the division of Poland, Trump came to an agreement with the Russian dictator Putin about the division of Ukraine and its resources. Hiostory does nto repeat itself. But it follows similar patterns. The rescuers of back then, today are the evildoers of the present. All that is required of the Ukrainians is to submit humbly, to go down silently and patiently, to sacrifice themselves for the rotten agenda of the great Donald, and please not to make such a fuss while they are being reduced to rubble and the people are being slaughtered. They should really be grateful for all of this! The Russian shoots the victim, the American plunders the carcass. Great, these two have found each other. Bravo Donny. History will remember you according to the standards of the company you aspired to. Anyone who mocks and lectures the victim of an assassination attempt, who is lying on the ground bleeding and still twitching and practically unable to defend himmself, while emptying his pockets and plunder its gold, is really the last dirt on earth. The two-headed scum that wanted to lecture Zelenkyi, Trump and Vance, they really are the last pack of rats. They should be thrown to the rats themselves. I just doubt that rats eat such filth. These are clever animals, very clever in fact. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

02-28-25, 04:33 PM	#6536
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,680 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	It is unbelievable, even in the German media there are comments blaming Zelenskyi for Trump's and Vance's outbursts. Shameful. Has cowardice now devoured the last person's mind? I am disgusted by these people. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

02-28-25, 05:00 PM	#6539
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,796 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Anyone noticed the visit of the russian delegation in the white house a few days ago? Donny you traitor, you have been bought long ago. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

02-28-25, 05:01 PM	#6540
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,680 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	We in Europe must now learn in world record time to become militarily serious again, serious enough to be deterring for Russia. At least this miserable seat we are in is not America's guilt, we have nothing but ourselves to point finger at for this failure of ours. A military rearming can only be had at massive debts, I fear, and so the price is a dramatical rise of risks for economic turmoil in the forseeable future. We must also get away from dependency on US weapons. When I recently red that the British must send their nuclear subs for long interval maintenance to the US, and for their SLBMs anyway, I just shook my head. And we must get rid of Windows and other such stuff. I mean that serious. Its a weapon in US hands pointed at us. BTW, got a new laptop today (for non-gaming), for a smile price deal (discontinued model), an Acer Aspire A517 i5-12450. I set it up on Linux, of course. Tomorrow it will get further stealthed. And my next smartphone will be a de-androdized device. Windows, pah. Its an attack on all the world - with friendly greetings from the NSA and the US State Department. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.