Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2

[mapuc]

- It clearly points in the direction that the Americans will try to come up with a solution that is really good for the Russians. That is, the Ukrainians will have to make a number of concessions. We know of two of them. One is that they will have to give up territory, and the other is that they will have to accept that they will not join NATO

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Markus

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by mapuc

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Not in favor of any of that. Ukraine deserves the Freedom it has fought and died for and the right to self determination.

[Skybird]

Pandora papers incriminate Zelenskyi. Corruption always was an ongoing and still existing huge problem in Ukraine. Thats why I still do not want them in the EU (also because it would mean a massive shift of the centre of gravity from Western Europe to the East). Most nowadays say: EU yes, NATO no. I want it the other way around: Ukraine in NATO, but not in the EU (at least not as long as corruption in Ukraine has not been terminated, and I think they are years iof not decades away form that, in other words: I dont think I will live to see it going away.). Before the war, I also did not want them in NATO, expectign that the Russians woudl react badly to that. I was just surprised by the timing and the scale of the Russian reaction. I also said that they will go to war over Crimea, in any case of trying to take it away from them.

Whatever I said and reasoned (and I think: correctly), it just does not justify the catastrophe and the human drama Russia has unleashed. The scale of the crime is beyond excuse. Thats why I say: get them into NATO once a temporary peace aghreement is in place. The statutes of NATO are clear, they must be obeyed.



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[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

[Skybird]

Numbers for the dance...


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[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Catfish

The US is just going to divide ukrainian resources between itself and Russia, wihout giving anything, let alone guarantees of any kind.
This is no deal, this is Mafia.

But maybe Ukraine and Europe will just continue supporting Ukraine, and give a sh!t abut what Putin or Trump decide.

This deal for resources both sides can do or not what I have read is that it is missing allot have you ever seen a deal between states that is written on 3 pages. For both side's revenue will take 5-10 year it is not so dig a hole and profit it takes years they first need to make a new infrastructure. And find the spots they can get to those resources that is not easy, some can not be digged up. Ukraine will never accept a peace they do not want because of the Kremlin terms, Ukraine will never go back to the Russian yoke.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Dargo

This deal for resources both sides can do or not what I have read is that it is missing allot have you ever seen a deal between states that is written on 3 pages. For both side's revenue will take 5-10 year it is not so dig a hole and profit it takes years they first need to make a new infrastructure. And find the spots they can get to those resources that is not easy, some can not be digged up. Ukraine will never accept a deal they do not want the Kremlin terms will not be accepted, Ukraine will never go back to the Russian yoke.

Slava Ukraini

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Zelenskyy is boss. The signing of the agreement has been postponed.

Originally Posted by Trump

We had a very meaningful meeting in the White House today. Much was learned that could never be understood without conversation under such fire and pressure, It’s amazing what comes out through emotion, and I have determined that President Zelenskyy is not ready for Peace if America is involved, because he feels our involvement gives him a big advantage in negotiations, I don’t want advantage, I want PEACE. He disrespected the United States of America in its cherished Oval Office. He can come back when he is ready for Peace.

Shortly after Trump’s post on Truth Social, Zelenskyy’s motorcade pulled up to the White House, signalling negotiations had ended. The two leaders had been scheduled to hold a joint press conference and sign a deal giving the U.S. access to Ukraine’s critical minerals supply later in the day. The press conference was cancelled, and it’s unclear if the deal is still going through.

It is now world news Ukraine will not accept this US, Russian racketeering no peace on US, Russian terms.

One day the remote control device we put up Trump's ass will take pride of place in KGB museum. https://bsky.app/profile/darthputink.../3ljazb7fn322e

[Exocet25fr]

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Exocet25fr

Generations of American patriots, from our revolution onward, have fought for the principles Zelenskyy is risking his life to defend. But today, Donald Trump and JD Vance attacked Zelenskyy and pressured him to surrender the freedom of his people to the KGB war criminal who invaded Ukraine. History will remember this day— when an American President and Vice President abandoned all we stand for. https://x.com/Liz_Cheney/status/1895543534377152668

[Dargo]

What just happened in the Oval Office was nothing short of remarkable. What began with questions about security guarantees for a ceasefire with Ukraine turned into an angry shouting match between Trump, Vance and Zelenskyy. Trump was fuming, ending with, “We have empowered you to be a tough guy… You either make a deal or we are out. You don’t have the cards.” Zelenskyy: “I didn’t come here to play cards.”

Hold my beer!

[Skybird]

Meine Fresse, ich glaub' ich spinne.

Disgusting what the Americans do. The two at the top doing it. So many others letting it happen, applauding it. Shame on you all.

Today, anti-Americanism has experienced an enormous upswing in Europe.

And rightly so.

Fascist Russia celebrates. Veterans of the Normandy landings turn in their graves.

This carricature of a US president is just a disgrace.

His buddy Vladimir still can'’t believe his luck. He must be grinning from one ear to the other when watching how this psychopath complements Russian strategy. And Donny - he arranged this scene in the oval office so nicely to abuse and and mistreat the already tormented victim under the eyes of the witnessing US public and shine in glory while his victim was demanded to smile and submissively say "thank you" for getting raped again - and then the victim dares to bite back...?

Unforgivable!

This is beyond repair, I think, and tovarishch Donny the Monumental is deeply offended in his infinite narcissistic ego. Immoral psychopath that he is he will seek revenge and possibly even active punishment.