Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by MaDef

He blinked.

Nope

3. The Government of Ukraine will contribute to the Fund 50 percent of all revenues earned from the future monetization of all relevant Ukrainian Government-owned natural resource assets (whether owned directly or indirectly by the Ukrainian Government), defined as deposits of minerals, hydrocarbons, oil, natural gas, and other extractable materials, and other infrastructure relevant to natural resource assets (such as liquified natural gas terminals and port infrastructure) as agreed by both Participants, as may be further described in the Fund Agreement. For the avoidance of doubt, such future sources of revenues do not include the current sources of revenues which are already part of the general budget revenues of Ukraine. Timeline, scope and sustainability of contributions will be further defined in the Fund Agreement.

The Fund, in its sole discretion, may credit or return to the Government of Ukraine actual expenses incurred by the newly developed projects from which the Fund receives revenues.

Contributions made to the Fund will be reinvested at least annually in Ukraine to promote the safety, security and prosperity of Ukraine, to be further defined in the Fund Agreement. The Fund Agreement will also provide for future distributions.

4. Subject to applicable United States law, the Government of the United States of America will maintain a long-term financial commitment to the development of a stable and economically prosperous Ukraine. Further contributions may be comprised of funds, financial instruments, and other tangible and intangible assets critical for the reconstruction of Ukraine.

If you try to convince me you better post a real argument and not a part that you think proves your right, you are not. According to my lawyers, it is a positive deal for Ukraine.

Note:This first document will be followed by a Fund Agreement, which will further define the terms of the Reconstruction Investment Fund, created by the U.S. and Ukraine. That document will require ratification by Ukraine’s parliament. This is not yet a done deal!

[Dargo]

This negotiation between Russia and US are not about the Russia Ukraine war, do not get fooled by flood the zone! "To be clear, there are no political or security issues on the agenda. Ukraine is not  on the agenda," a State Department spokesperson said in an email to Reuters.

Ukraine not on agenda in next US-Russia talks, State Department says

U.S. and Russian officials will not discuss Russia's war against Ukraine during their meeting in Istanbul on Feb. 27, a U.S. State Department spokesperson said in an email to Reuters. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov announced on Feb. 26 that Washington and Moscow would hold a second round of talks in Turkey, just over a week after delegates from the two countries met in Saudi Arabia for their first direct talks since the full-scale invasion of Ukraine... https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-...partment-says/

[Exocet25fr]

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[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Dargo

Nope If you try to convince me you better post a real argument and not a part that you think proves your right, you are not. According to my lawyers, it is a positive deal for Ukraine.

Note:This first document will be followed by a Fund Agreement, which will further define the terms of the Reconstruction Investment Fund, created by the U.S. and Ukraine. That document will require ratification by Ukraine’s parliament. This is not yet a done deal!

Sure it is, it's the first step toward ending the fighting, and ensures Ukraine remains a sovereign country. It also gives the U.S. a lot of control over a major portion of Ukraine's natural resources. Which translates into no more blank checks from the U.S. for assistance. Details will worked out in the ensuing weeks/months.

[Skybird]

North Korea has apparently sent new contingents of troops to Russia. These soldiers are already all dead. If they survive the war, the Russians will make sure they're still made dead on some occasion so they can't talk when they get home.

Tragic, somehow. The Ukrainians will have to kill them anyway. Conveniently for Putin, he still doesn't have to recruit troops from “sensitive” sections of the population that he doesn't want to worry. He could do that if he had to. But he doesn't need to. So he doesn't do.

[Dargo]

Thanks to vastly improved electronic jamming devices, the Ukrainian military is increasingly managing to deflect deadly Russian hover bombs from their course, causing them to miss their target. So charges a well-informed Russian war blogger. Russia could thus rely less and less on what has hitherto been one of its greatest assets, on the front line. For more than a year, Russian hover bombs have been sowing death and destruction both on and behind the Ukrainian front. Thanks to the immense stockpile of old Soviet bombs with a warhead of 250 to even 1,500 kilograms, Russian bombers could drop as many as 100 of them a day. Ukrainian soldiers who heard them falling could do virtually nothing against them except take shelter in the hope that they would survive the deadly bombardment.

Military analysts, both on the Russian side and from the West, agree that last year's Russian advance in the Donbas is partly due to the massive deployment of tens of thousands of hover bombs. This involves making ‘dumb’ bombs smart

[MaDef]

You're correct, but that doesn't mean the U.S. is going to force Russia to relinquish the Ukrainian territory it now occupies. It just means we have a financial interest in stopping the fighting. And with this deal, the U.S. has a bit more leverage in any negotiations.

[Dargo]

I do not have that illusion Ukraine neither, they will never accept giving away territory to Russia. Also, I do not believe that whole Russian "yes we want peace" they do not want and basically cannot economical stop this war I see maybe a ceasefire but no peace treaty this year.

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

[Dargo]

[Jimbuna]

Trump extended series of sanctions on Russia for its aggression against Ukraine for one year – White House

US President Donald Trump has extended for a year the sanctions previously imposed on Russia for its invasion of Ukraine.

This was reported in the White House, Censor.NET informs.

It is not yet known which sanctions have been extended.

The relevant document was also published in the Federal Register.

"Pursuant to Section 202(d) of the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1622(d)), I am extending for one year the national emergency declared by Executive Order 13660," the document says.

Earlier, the US president said that the restrictions could be lifted "at some point."

Also, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said that the possibility of lifting sanctions against Russia could be considered only after the Russian side demonstrates concrete steps towards peace. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3538339

Trump was going to cancel Zelenskyy’s visit to US, but Macron dissuaded him – media

The visit of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to Washington on February 28 was nearly canceled if French leader Emmanuel Macron had not intervened in talks with US President Donald Trump and dissuaded him.

This is reported by BFMTV with reference to a French diplomatic source, Censor.NET reports.

According to reports, on Wednesday, February 26, the Trump administration sent a message to the Ukrainian side requesting that Zelenskyy not come to Washington and canceling the meeting.

However, the Ukrainian president called Macron, who then contacted Trump, urging him to receive Zelenskyy and personally vouching for the meeting.

Following Macron’s call, Trump reconsidered and agreed, later publicly announcing that he would host the Ukrainian leader in Washington on Friday, February 28.

Earlier, the media reported that President Volodymyr Zelenskyy would meet with Donald Trump on February 28, 2025.

Minerals agreement with the US
As a reminder, Trump has said he wants to sign a $500 billion deal with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on access to rare earth resources and natural gas in Ukraine in exchange for security guarantees in any potential peace settlement.

President Zelenskyy said that the agreement with the US on minerals would be signed at the ministerial level when ready and subject to guarantees. Currently, this document is not ready to protect Ukraine's interests.

Later, Trump said that Ukraine had rejected the rare earth metals deal. The agreement was needed so that the United States could recover the money spent on supporting Ukraine.

The administration of U.S. President Donald Trump has given to Ukraine an "improved" draft of the minerals agreement that "complies with Ukrainian law."

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said that if the US wants to see specific numbers in the minerals agreement, then according to Ukrainian law, ratification by the Verkhovna Rada will be required.

On 25 February, the Financial Times reported that Ukraine and the United States had agreed on the terms of a deal on minerals, and Kyiv was ready to sign the document. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3538308

[Jimbuna]

Security guarantees should include presence of allies in air and Black Sea – Foreign Ministry spokesman Tykhyi

The presence of allies in the airspace of Ukraine and the Black Sea is being discussed as part of security guarantees.

This was stated by Foreign Ministry spokesman Heorhii Tykhyi, Censor.NET reports citing Ukrinform.

"Any long-term security should include an increased presence of our allies in the Black Sea and in the air. We are already talking about this with them at the talks and believe that this is a serious topic that needs to be discussed," Tykhyi said.

He noted that these security parameters could be discussed at the European Council meeting on March 6 and at some other meetings.

At the same time, Tykhyi cautioned that there are no specifics on the numbers, location and form of a possible allied contingent in Ukraine. Instead, there is a broad European discussion in which Ukraine is participating, and within its framework, different countries are expressing their opinions.

Speaking about the aviation component, the diplomat emphasized the importance of closing the skies in Ukraine, which "is no less, and maybe even more important, than ground troops on the ground."

"It is Russia's dominance in the skies that currently allows it to dominate the battlefield and continue to terrorize Ukrainian cities, communities and villages," the spokesman added.

"Control is quite possible. It has been carried out in many countries, and even the proximity of Russian aircraft or the front line is not an obstacle. Similarly, patrols are carried out in the skies over the Baltic...," the diplomat noted, mentioning Syria in this context. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3538338

Russia will never agree to deployment of EU peacekeepers in Ukraine – Lukashenko

Self-proclaimed President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko has said that Russia will allegedly never agree to the deployment of peacekeepers from the European Union in Ukraine.

According to Censor.NET, Lukashenko said this in an interview with American blogger Mario Naufal, BelTA quoted him as saying.

"As for sending peacekeeping forces there (to Ukraine - ed.). Russia will never agree to this. At least, this is Russia's position today," he said.

According to Lukashenko, the EU leadership, primarily from Germany and France, is taking a "very aggressive position."

"I don't know if Trump managed to persuade them to the side of peace and peace talks in his talks with Macron and Starmer, but you can see that they are taking a very aggressive stance on the war between Russia and Ukraine. That is why Russia is categorically against any peacekeeping forces from European states," he added.

Peacekeeping forces in Ukraine

Earlier it was reported that French President Emmanuel Macron would discuss with Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk the deployment of peacekeeping forces in Ukraine if an agreement is reached to end the current phase of the war between Russia and Ukraine.

Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk denied that Polish troops would be sent to Ukraine after the ceasefire.

EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Kaja Kallas assessed the possibility of sending a European peacekeeping mission to Ukraine.

Italian Defense Minister Guido Crozetto expressed his readiness to support a peacekeeping mission to Ukraine if peace is achieved.

In turn, Italian Foreign Minister Antonio Tajani called these discussions "premature."

Germany, together with its partners, will consider the possible deployment of peacekeepers in Ukraine as part of "security guarantees" only after the conditions are created, namely a ceasefire with Russia.

The Ukrainian Foreign Ministry has stated that several countries are currently considering participation in a potential contingent of Western allies in Ukraine. However, specific plans for the deployment of foreign troops are still under discussion. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3538335

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by MaDef

You're correct, but that doesn't mean the U.S. is going to force Russia to relinquish the Ukrainian territory it now occupies. It just means we have a financial interest in stopping the fighting. And with this deal, the U.S. has a bit more leverage in any negotiations.

The US is just going to divide ukrainian resources between itself and Russia, wihout giving anything, let alone guarantees of any kind.
This is no deal, this is Mafia.

But maybe Ukraine and Europe will just continue supporting Ukraine, and give a sh!t abut what Putin or Trump decide.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Catfish

The US is just going to divide ukrainian resources between itself and Russia, wihout giving anything, let alone guarantees of any kind.
This is no deal, this is Mafia.

But maybe Ukraine and Europe will just continue supporting Ukraine, and give a sh!t abut what Putin or Trump decide.

One can print money from one day to the next, but not tanks, guns and IFVs.






Currency I mean, not money of course...


The needed rearmament in Europe will drastically increase devaluation and debts anyway.