Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Catfish

^^ re Skybird Agreed, Musk cannot be trusted.

Which in principle is true with any American network-embedded hightech system. After Trump's opening salvos the last weeks, I have started to see the F-35 that Germany wants to buy in a different, much less favourable light. And we, Germany, do not only need a few hightech gimmicks - we need stuff in much higher quantities than just these few planes. If there is a lesson to be learned from Ukraine: then that sufficiently high numbers still count - and can count heavier than superior technology. In case of a war we, every participating side, must be able to digest significant own losses. Every boxer knows that: you don't just have to be able to dish it out, you also have to be able to take it. You have to be able to get up again after being knocked down. And all too often that ability is what really decides the fight.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Which in principle is true with any American network-embedded hightech system. After Trump's opening salvos the last weeks, I have started to see the F-35 that Germany wants to buy in a different, much less favourable light. And we, Germany, do not only need a few hightech gimmicks - we need stuff in much higher quantities than just these few planes. If there is a lesson to be learned from Ukraine: then that sufficiently high numbers still count - and can count heavier than superior technology. In case of a war we, every participating side, must be able to digest significant own losses. Every boxer knows that: you don't just have to be able to dish it out, you also have to be able to take it. You have to be able to get up again after being knocked down. And all too often that ability is what really decides the fight.

Funny you have described what it was told in the latest video I posted on page back and last.

Markus

[MaDef]

How Trump upset the United Nations.

Trump has you all discombobulated.

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

Russian and US representatives to meet in Istanbul on February 27 - Lavrov

On Thursday, February 27, representatives of Russia and the United States will meet in Istanbul. They will discuss, among other things, the reopening of embassies.

According to Censor.NET, the Russian Foreign Ministry's statement was quoted by the Russian propaganda outlet RIA Novosti.

"A meeting of representatives of Russia and the United States on the work of embassies will take place on February 27 in Istanbul," Russian Minister Sergei Lavrov said.

In addition, he noted that the issue of the fate of frozen Russian assets "will not disappear" from the agenda of negotiations on Ukraine.

Lavrov added that possible actions against these assets would not go unanswered by Russia.

The Russian minister also expressed the opinion that the Kremlin believes that "it is impossible to reach agreements that will provide for the repeated pumping of weapons to Ukraine."

Meeting in Saudi Arabia
On February 12, 2025, Trump said that his meeting with Russian dictator Vladimir Putin would likely take place in Saudi Arabia.

Trump also said that a meeting betweenrepresentatives of Ukraine, the United States, and Russia would take place in Saudi Arabia next week.

On February 14, the Saudi Foreign Ministry announced that the Kingdom was ready to host a meeting between US President Donald Trump and Russian dictator Vladimir Putin.

On February 18, delegations from the United States and Russia meet in Saudi Arabia.

Both sides characterized it as positive. The U.S. and Russia agreed to resume the full-fledged work of the U.S. and Russian embassies in Moscow and Washington. The key issue was achieving a ceasefire in Ukraine.

Fox News reported that Russia and the United States are allegedly proposing a three-stage peace plan, including a ceasefire, elections in Ukraine, and then a final agreement.

Earlier, Bloomberg reported that Trump and Putin may hold a summit in Saudi Arabia next week.

Donald Trump has said that the next round of talks between the US and Russia will take place on Tuesday, February 25. Saudi Arabia will again serve as a platform for talks between Washington and Moscow.

At the same time, the Russian Foreign Ministry said that no meeting between the representatives of Russia and the United States on February 25 in Riyadh is being prepared.

Earlier, the media reported that representatives of Russia and the United States would hold a second meeting in the Saudi capital, Riyadh, on February 25. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3538026

[MaDef]

Looks like Zelensky blinked.

Ukraine PM says mineral deal is agreed to

Next up is Putin.

[Skybird]

[Die Welt] Russia rejects European peacekeeping troops in Ukraine. Russia will not agree to this, said Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov. The idea was a deception that would only serve to enable Ukraine to rearm. US President Donald Trump had stated this week that Russian President Vladimir Putin had told him that he agreed to this.

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

Merz to meet with Macron to discuss political situation in Germany and transatlantic relations - Politico

Chancellor candidate of the winning bloc in the German parliamentary elections, the CDU/CSU, Friedrich Merz, will visit Paris to meet with French President Emmanuel Macron.

Politico writes about this with reference to its own sources, Censor.NET reports.

The publication notes that Merz is traveling to discuss "sensitive" issues and is expected to focus on the political situation in Germany after the election and ongoing coalition talks, as well as transatlantic relations in the wake of Macron's talks with US President Donald Trump.

Merz is traveling to discuss "sensitive" issues and is expected to focus on the political situation in Germany after the elections and the ongoing coalition talks, as well as transatlantic relations following Macron's talks with US President Donald Trump.

As a reminder, the conservative bloc of the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) and the Christian Social Union (CSU) won the early Bundestag elections on Sunday, February 23, gaining 29% of the vote. The Christian Democratic Union is headed by Friedrich Merz.

The far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) is in second place with 19.5%. The Social Democratic Party of current Chancellor Olaf Scholz is in third place with 16%. The left-liberal Union-90/Greens party gained 13.5%. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3538119

Just and lasting peace in Ukraine is impossible without security guarantees from NATO, - Meloni

Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni said that peace in Ukraine is possible only if Kyiv is provided with security guarantees, in particular within NATO.

This is reported by ANSA with reference to Meloni's statement after a meeting with Swedish Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson in Rome, Censor.NET reports.

"Efforts must be made to lay the foundations for a just and lasting peace in Ukraine, which will come only when Kyiv is provided with adequate security guarantees to make sure that this does not happen again and that European countries that feel threatened can feel safe," Meloni said.

The Italian Prime Minister emphasized that these guarantees should be implemented within the framework of NATO, as she believes that this alliance is the most effective means to ensure a stable peace.

"I have always said and I believe that these security guarantees should be implemented within the Atlantic Alliance because I think that is the best framework to guarantee a peace that is neither fragile nor temporary, so that there is no longer a risk that Europe could be plunged back into the drama of war," Meloni said.

She also noted that alternative security options look more complicated and less effective.

"Other solutions, as I said, seem to me to be more complicated and, frankly, less effective," she concluded. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3538112

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Merz to meet with Macron to discuss political situation in Germany and transatlantic relations - Politico



Just and lasting peace in Ukraine is impossible without security guarantees from NATO, - Meloni

From where I sit, the moves Trumps making makes me think that Europe & Nato aren't really high on his priority list. He's pretty much left them out by engaging Zelensky and Putin directly. If he brokers some sort of truce on his own, Europe and NATO won't have a whole lot of say in the matter.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by MaDef

Looks like Zelensky blinked.

Ukraine PM says mineral deal is agreed to

Next up is Putin.

Zelenskyy did not blink, this is a whole other deal than that racketeering move by Trump. Trump is no match to the Kremlin you underestimate Russian culture that mafia family is gone screw Trump bigly.

[Dargo]

The full text of the US-Ukraine mineral deal

The Kyiv Independent has obtained from a source in the Ukrainian government the full text of the mineral deal agreement between the U.S. and Ukraine and is publishing the text in full. Speaking to journalists on Feb. 26, Zelenskyy said the agreement was "well appreciated by our government officials," though he added it does not yet contain specific security guarantees for Ukraine. "The important thing is that the agreement mentions 'partners,' and this fund is Ukrainian-American, not American," he added. This first document will be followed by a Fund Agreement, which will further define the terms of the Reconstruction Investment Fund, created by the U.S. and Ukraine. That document will require ratification by Ukraine’s parliament.

The full text is as follows: https://kyivindependent.com/exclusiv...ral-agreement/

Prove me wrong where Zelenskyy blinked.

[Skybird]

Yes, it is becoming more and more blatantly obvious that Trump has clearly sided with Russia and is protecting Russia's war interests. Welcome to the axis of evil, America. Your path to the dark side of the Force is almost complete.


[NTV] According to insiders, the US has not participated in a declaration by members of the World Trade Organization (WTO) condemning Russian aggression in Ukraine. Since the beginning of the war in February 2022, this declaration has been published on every anniversary. It is the first time that the USA has abstained. 44 WTO members - including the EU, the UK and Canada - and Ukraine have signed the declaration. It condemned the devastating impact of Russia's invasion of Ukraine on people's lives and the Ukrainian economy. A few days ago, the USA introduced a resolution to the UN General Assembly that initially contained no criticism of Moscow and no statements on the territorial integrity of Ukraine.
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Rumor has it that the Kremlin is still unable to fully understand its incomprehensible luck. Trump's idiocy exceeds all expectations.



Even mine. And that really means something.

[MaDef]

The Government of Ukraine will contribute to the Fund 50 percent of all revenues earned from the future monetization of all relevant Ukrainian Government-owned natural resource assets (whether owned directly or indirectly by the Ukrainian Government), defined as deposits of minerals, hydrocarbons, oil, natural gas, and other extractable materials, and other infrastructure relevant to natural resource assets (such as liquified natural gas terminals and port infrastructure) as agreed by both Participants, as may be further described in the Fund Agreement.

He blinked.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by MaDef

[blah] Next up is Putin.

Yep the US has changed sides. There can be no trust in the US now, not by Russia, not by China, and now not by Europe. South America, Africa?
May you live in interesting times.