Wuhan virus 2020

[Jimbuna]

England is still “some way away” from being able to start relaxing lockdown restrictions, the chief executive of NHS Providers says.

Chris Hopson says a “logical point” to start lifting restrictions would be once the top nine priority groups have had a coronavirus vaccine.

The easing of England's lockdown will be based on a "cautious and prudent approach", Prime Minister Boris Johnson says.

The UK will expose a group of volunteers to Covid-19 in a bid to establish which vaccines and treatments work best.

Up to 90 healthy volunteers aged 18-30 will be involved in the study, aiming to find out the smallest amount of virus needed to cause infection.

Vulnerable young people should be prioritised when the UK rebuilds after coronavirus, England's outgoing children's commissioner Anne Longfield says.

Research by the think tank Reform suggests hospital waiting lists in England could more than double and hit 10 million by April.

The Australian state of Victoria and the New Zealand city of Auckland will both exit snap lockdowns on Thursday.

Captain Sir Tom Moore, who died this month after raising almost £33m for NHS charities, left "a legacy he could never have imagined", his daughter says.

[Jimbuna]

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen will try to head off criticism of EU vaccine delays and shortages, with a plan to adapt vaccines to new mutations quickly. The aim is to set up a European testing network and approve "second generation" vaccines against future strains.
Dutch appeal judges last night temporarily allowed a nationwide Covid curfew to stay in place 15 minutes before it was due to be lifted. A court had earlier ruled the government was wrong to use emergency laws to impose it. A new curfew law is being rushed before MPs today so it can come into force before the case returns to the appeal court on Friday.
Italy’s new prime minister Mario Draghi presents his Covid recovery plan to the Senate this morning. He’s then set to survive a vote of confidence.
There are no plans to tighten health measures in France when the current winter holidays come to an end, according to media reports. President Emmanuel Macron chairs France’s defence council today with infections gradually in decline, and just under 20,000 new cases reported last night. Local elections planned for next month have been postponed until June.
Slovakia has tightened its border controls as the country continues to see a high Covid death rate.
The country registered 23 coronavirus-related deaths per 100,000 people in the last 14 days - the second highest rate in the world after Portugal, according to AFP news agency.
US President Joe Biden says all Americans will have access to a vaccine before August.
Today, in a hundred hospitals across Japan, front-line health workers began getting their first shots of the Pfizer vaccine.
The numbers are still tiny – 40,000 in this first tranche. Japan is far, far behind Europe and America in rolling out Covid vaccinations.
The first batches of the coronavirus vaccine are due to enter the Gaza strip.
South Africa’s President Cyril Ramaphosa says he will take the Johnson & Johnson vaccine to demonstrate his confidence in the jab.
Maalim Seif Sharif Hamad, the first vice-president of Tanzania’s semi-autonomous islands of Zanzibar, has died at the age of 77 - a few weeks after contracting coronavirus.
Former Peruvian President Martin Vizcarra requested and received an early vaccination against Covid-19 out of turn, a doctor has told lawmakers.

[Skybird]

Der Tagesspiegel.

Then release Astrazeneca for everyone!

Astrazeneca cans collect dust in the warehouse, hardly anyone wants them. We cannot afford luxury: if you want, you should get it right away. A comment.

An employee at the vaccination center in Berlin-Tegel recently said in disbelief: "We would like to vaccinate a lot more people." You could too. Problem: There is no demand.

At least not when it comes to Astrazeneca's vaccine. In Berlin alone , 29,000 doses of Astrazeneca's corona vaccine are lying around unused. More than 650,000 cans across Germany. As of April, more than five million cans of the substance should be available, which apparently nobody wants. Astrazeneca has an image problem. And Germany has a problem with that, because people's skepticism towards the drug is delaying the already sluggish vaccinations. This raises the question of whether the carefully devised plan of who will be vaccinated where and when can be adhered to.

The vaccine from Astrazeneca has fallen into disrepute because, in contrast to the vaccine from Biontech / Pfizer, its effectiveness is only given at almost 60 percent instead of 95 percent. Studies also raised doubts that the vaccine would help against the mutants of the virus. Astrazeneca is already only vaccinated against people under 65 because there is a lack of data on whether the vaccine is safe for older people. The result: just two percent of Germans would currently choose Astrazeneca if they had the choice. Only: the vast majority of Germans do not have a choice. They have no access to any vaccine.

This is also due to the vaccination sequence, which is sensible in itself, which the Standing Vaccination Commission has determined. According to this, the elderly and high-risk patients who are particularly at risk are first vaccinated, along with nurses and doctors because they are particularly exposed. What makes sense in theory, practically fails because of the acceptance of those who would be eligible for vaccination. There is not enough highly effective vaccine from Biontech, Astrazeneca especially do not want the carers - for the elderly, as mentioned, it is out of the question anyway.

Instead of offering the material to other professional groups to be determined individually - perhaps daycare or teachers - the sequence of vaccinations should be fundamentally reconsidered.

It would be nice, but it's not the case that Germany can afford the luxury of being picky. Neither when choosing the vaccine, nor when choosing the vaccinated. And don't forget: everyone who is vaccinated is a step forward, and that is far too few.

In the list of the 20 countries with the highest vaccination rate, Germany, where the first vaccine approved in the western world was developed, does not even appear. Less than four percent of people in this country have received their first vaccination. If this speed is maintained, a 30-year-old without previous illnesses who does not work in sensitive or allegedly system-critical professions, for example, can hope for the first injection at the end of the year. It is more likely: sometime in 2022.

And an effective vaccine collects dust in some camps. Who should understand that?

Astrazeneca is much better than its reputation anyway, reliably protects against severe processes, even if the risk reduction may not be as high as with Biontech. But even the virologist Christian Drosten, who says he sees no signs that the active ingredient does not help the mutants of the virus, does not penetrate the question. So what speaks against the fact that everyone in the federal states can register in a central database who wants the vaccine that others disdain?

Instead of assuring that Astrazeneca is working, one could show it - and give hope to young people who would otherwise be excluded from the vaccine for a long time. This should also increase the willingness of those who are still skeptical. Vaccine works both ways.

Superclever superplanners with superclever superplans do not like to be told that their superclever superplan does not superwork. Thats why they do not vaccinate "wildly" those volunteers who want it.

Occasionally there were reports when at the end of the day of a vaccination mission in soem place, say a care taking home, some doeses were left, and then instea dof throwing them away any volunteers and workers preset in the location were allowed to get the jab so that it does not get wasted. So far every time this was the case it ended in a moral uproar in the evening news. I recall to ahve sene this now three or four tijmes at least, on the main news. "How dare they!?"

Germany, 2021 A.D.

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by Catfish

^ Fatality numbers are not the same. Once more political opinion by Fox business, does not help.
That Florida is faring better than other comparable states with lesser restrictions can imho be related to weather, temperature and following behaviour.

"Florida has more cases per 100,000 residents. More deaths, too.
[In] just the last 90 days [...] California has recorded more cases, but fewer deaths than Florida. Adjust for population and California comes out better on both measures."

So what? We really need to stop thinking in terms of what-if fatalities to impose restrictions on entire populations when the majority are not in an at-risk group. Probabilistic risk assessment yields a result that shows the majority of people don't even know they have covid and of those that do, the vast majority of them have mild symptoms.

Florida, for example, has a very large population of the elderly who are more susceptible, in comparison to California, as indicated in the article you quoted from:

https://www.theledger.com/story/opin...id/6541090002/

Anecdotally, everyone's experience will be different.

I know three people who got covid. Parents of my daughter's BFF got it last spring and only found out after the fact when they decided to get tested for antibodies after their bout was done and over. Two weeks of flu symptoms. Three mother of my son's friend got it this fall - 3 days of a migraine. My wife suspects she had it last year - but who knows?

I've seen an article about a whole family in rural Northern California who got it with many of them hospitalized, including an 18-yr old. Add it's only when you get to the *end* of the article when you find out the 18-yr old is medically severely obese, which is a risk factor. But most people only read the headline or the first couple of paragraphs and are then susceptible to the fear-mongering...

Are there severely ill people who died from covid? Yep - and they make up less than 1% of those affected.

Wear a mask in crowded spaces if you have risk factors. Vaccinate the elderly. But stop banning people from sitting on a park bench in the outdoors...

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Cheers....a little soreness where the needle went in but I'm totally not bothered.

That is nice. We get some fever and headaches as sideeffects

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

Congrats!

I got both of my Sputnik-V shots ofc, but great to hear that people are getting vaccinated as well.

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...d.php?t=247850

[Jimbuna]

[Gorpet]

Originally Posted by Catfish

^ Fatality numbers are not the same. Once more political opinion by Fox business, does not help.
That Florida is faring better than other comparable states with lesser restrictions can imho be related to weather, temperature and following behaviour.

"Florida has more cases per 100,000 residents. More deaths, too.
[In] just the last 90 days [...] California has recorded more cases, but fewer deaths than Florida. Adjust for population and California comes out better on both measures."

It's none of the above.The truth is loose lips sink careers here. I live here and i will tell you whatever you hear about florida is tourist propaganda we have the new strain from the UK. And its spreading like throwing a match in a field of dry hay.

Those of us that live here know how our politicians have performed since the start of this Pandemic and they have made it clear loose lips sink careers. We do not know what is going on in our state. The media is Political and they can not or will not tell us the truth. Everything we hear from them you take with a grain of salt.

The truth is we are a Tourist state we need people from around the globe to come here to feed the economy. Since our local people don't make a living wage and can't afford the attractions any more. Everybody in Florida knows if you want to live in the Sunshine state you bring money with you. Or you work for those that have it. Any way come to Florida we are doing great and were just waiting to breath on ya.

[Reece]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Der Tagesspiegel.

Quote:
At least not when it comes to Astrazeneca's vaccine. In Berlin alone , 29,000 doses of Astrazeneca's corona vaccine are lying around unused. More than 650,000 cans across Germany. As of April, more than five million cans of the substance should be available, which apparently nobody wants. Astrazeneca has an image problem. And Germany has a problem with that, because people's skepticism towards the drug is delaying the already sluggish vaccinations. This raises the question of whether the carefully devised plan of who will be vaccinated where and when can be adhered to.

The vaccine from Astrazeneca has fallen into disrepute because, in contrast to the vaccine from Biontech / Pfizer, its effectiveness is only given at almost 60 percent instead of 95 percent. Studies also raised doubts that the vaccine would help against the mutants of the virus. Astrazeneca is already only vaccinated against people under 65 because there is a lack of data on whether the vaccine is safe for older people. The result: just two percent of Germans would currently choose Astrazeneca if they had the choice. Only: the vast majority of Germans do not have a choice. They have no access to any vaccine.

The Astrazeneca's vaccine is now the only vaccine being offered here in Australia, should I be worried? should I wait for another?

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Reece

The Astrazeneca's vaccine is now the only vaccine being offered here in Australia, should I be worried? should I wait for another?

I guess not, but it might be safe to ask a doctor who has the current updates.
France does not jab people over 65 with Astra Zeneca:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-...ne-people.html

While the EU took some time for testing the german BioNTech vaccine at all ages, Boris Johnson did not wait for the outcome, and up to now his gamble has worked, and he has wasted no time to rub it in: "Britain first". He failed to provide evidence how much of the vaccine has been hoarded umm stored, diverting to "national security" lmao.

[Catfish]

AstraZeneca's vaccine contract with the UK is based on 'best efforts,' just like its deal with a frustrated EU.

"First come, first served" they say.

But:
"Soriot confirmed to La Repubblica that his company had agreed to supply the UK before other markets, saying it was "fair enough" because the UK had reached an agreement with AstraZeneca earlier than the EU.
But the UK's official contract is actually dated August 28, one day after the EU's contract.

So not quite fair to say at least.. best efforts based on national priorities in a pandemic? Go on blaming the EU for "being late", and praise England for being "very special" and "exceptionalist". Once more humanity is not man enough to rise above petty nationalism.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...eu/ar-BB1dLVhN

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Reece

The Astrazeneca's vaccine is now the only vaccine being offered here in Australia, should I be worried? should I wait for another?

If there is a lack of choice in your place, no, don't wait.

If you can choose, well, it would not be my first choice, because it does not protect against i think the southafrican strain, and has higher rates of more serious reactions after the first jab. There were firefighter stations and hospital over here where they had one quarter, even one third of their vaccinated staff needing to take 1-3 days of leave from work. That are not normal rates and intensity levels to a mass vaccination, these numbers are much higher. The mRNA vaccines by Biontech-Pfizer and Moderna have that mutation protection, and a more moderate reaction after the second jab. AZ must blame themselves, they did a not en par job in data collection and study during the test trials, and serious problems they ran into during those trials got covered up and tried to get hidden. The govenrment officials did not investigate, the media remained silent. although phase one trial or phase two trial ven was stopped in one country and needed to get fully relaunched, another phase 1 or 2 trial in another country had been interrupted for some days, and one patient even died - they treid to blame other factors and later ha dot admit that to was due to compolkicaitons formt eh vaccine. So, the AZ vaccine did not saw an easy birth, it was a complicated birth.

To leave no words on problems and in fact boast all the time that everythign is runnign supersmooth and wonderful and fine, builds no trust, and leaves a certain taste in the mouth. Yes, AZ is responsible all by itself for its now reputation and perception by the public. Lets face it, their reputation currently is not the best. And that is due to their own fault.

But: get vaccinated with whatever you can get vaccinated with early, only when you have the choice, choose another one. You may get those reactions, or not, but they do not mean you get ill from Covid. Its an immune reaction to a SIMULATED attack, not a real one. Severe or not, after 1-3 days you most likely will be fine again.

My first choice currently would be the Russian one, basing on the numbers published in the Lancet study and assuming those data have not been "beautified". But I am not even getting any vaccine over here anyway, and that will not change any time soon. I can be satisfied if even getting anything in 4rth quarter this year - and that is not certain. I absolutely also take 2022 into account.



Edit:

Reece, listen here at exactly 10:00. Thats the best answer you can get to your question.

[Skybird]

AZ-UK treaty revealed. And it always was online.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/17/e...ntl/index.html

Actually the UK treaty is dated one day LATER than the EU treaty.

Ooops.


Fact remains the UK is far ahead in vaccination - and thus protecting its citizens, as it is obligated.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Actually the UK treaty is dated one day LATER than the EU treaty. Ooops. .

You don't say

[Jimbuna]

Some interesting information in the above posts gentlemen and I thank you for that.

The jab I was given on Tuesday was the Pfizer-BioNTech https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...postcount=5and whilst I wasn't given a choice I am starting to believe I've been given the correct/best one.