UK Politics Thread

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Well this is almost the same as what Spain has said all along. Scotland starting from scratch to apply would then take a long while it think.
Then North sea oil fields.. all new negotiations.

Scotland voted for remaining in the UK, but it certainly did so expecting the UK would stay in the EU and taking that for granted. So they in a way voted for the EU.
Is there any chance Scotland could remain in the EU without declaring independence? Frankly I do not see this to be possible, without the UK's members getting more individual freedom.

B.t.w. Since Trump officially and publicly favorises the downfall of the EU, does he also encourage the split-up of the UK already

http://www.achgut.com/artikel/europa...ien_den_hammer

[STEED]

PM would win 100-seat majority in snap election, says influential pollster
If the prime minister called a snap general election she would deliver a big win for the Conservatives, says an elections expert.

http://news.sky.com/story/pm-would-w...lster-10823677

Laughable to suggest that, a better figure would be between 40-50 seats.

As for this..

The party could lose up to 15 seats to the Liberal Democrats

Get out of town, I watch PMQ's and only seen Tim Farron once this year ask a question! Old Angus of the SNP is up every week asking any where from 1 to 5 questions. The LibDems are a dead lost and taking up space.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Dan D

Sieh Dir den Tweet von @ComedyCentralUK an: https://twitter.com/ComedyCentralUK/...801737217?s=09

I I I don't know what to say
And the last five seconds!?

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Skybird

http://www.achgut.com/artikel/europa...ien_den_hammer

Heinsohn? Ich glaube die Achse des Guten ist stark nach rechts verbogen.
It is shortsighted to explain everything with economical theories.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by MGR1

Speaking of Spain:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ies-to-join-eu

https://stv.tv/news/politics/1384635...nd-joining-eu/

Which has been their position all along - if Scotland secedes from the UK with the consent of the British Government then they have no problem with it joining the EU afterwards. If however Scotland does so without Westminster consent, i.e. UDI, then they will block (see Kosovo - Spain still regards that as part of Serbia). They would also block any attempt for Scotland to try retain it's (the UK's) EU membership - it would have to join the queue of countries wishing to join and start from scratch. As for how long such a process would actually take who knows.

Apart from the most blinkered of Nats, pretty much everyone I know knows full well that is the situation facing a potential Independant Scotland.

Now that the Spanish have stated their position I hope it scrubs the "Spain will veto Scotland joining the EU" meme - it never existed in the form that Scotland's detractors said it did.

Mike.

Thanks for that....most insightful

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Heinsohn? Ich glaube die Achse des Guten ist stark nach rechts verbogen.
It is shortsighted to explain everything with economical theories.

Not to mention his strong fundament in sociology and social pedagogy, also history and descriptive demography. To know that all about him,one needs to know his biography, however - or have to read a bit of his books. I have. Have you?

He is not right-leaning. He just is not socialist and not politically correct, that is all. But that is enough in Germany today to swing the Nazi hammer against the guilty heretic already.

[Skybird]

Profound.

[Jimbuna]

MEPs agree Brexit negotiation plan....the Red Lines.

A little harsh on the UK in my estimation but it is early days and at least both sides now know each others starting positions.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39501876

[Skybird]

After the Spaniards moved over Scotland to encourage a Scottish rebellion of the kind they deny to their own Catalunya region, the latest Spanish move to maximise the pain and problems for the UK was to move a Spanish frigate into Gibraltarian waters.

This all is a negotiation between a self-perceived punisher and his claimed offender. Do not expect fairness or reason in these negotiations. If the UK is willing to even use force to keep Gibraltar, this is the time to send in the needed reinforcements to make a Spanish coup as costly as possible. Because, like in case of the Falklands, a re-conquering by the UK after any of these territories got lost, looks almost impossible nowadays. The Falkland war to retake the islands was in the early 80s, and it would not be possible anymore today.

You think such a war today over Gibraltar is impossible to imagine? Think again. To use a foreign demon to distract from innerpolitical problems and economic problems, is never out of date, and if you look at the stockmarkets and their insanely overpriced indices, you can easily see that the outbreak of the next shockwave of symptoms for the paper money crisis probably is just around the corner. It will hit Spain hard. And it will hit everybody else harder than 2008. Appealing to the plebs' lower emotions and national sentiments is the best that can happen to a government in such a situation.

Thats how the Falkland war started as well.

[Jimbuna]

^ The potential for the above is really quite interesting and mind boggling at the same time....a NATO country attacks another NATO country and eventually sanctions are imposed by the UN meaning Spain can no longer trade with the EU

Add to the above the loss of revenue from a drop in Brit tourists and the fact we'll unleash the Barbary Apes on the first Spaniard to cross the border onto British sovereign territory

All hypothetical of course

[ikalugin]

I think it would boil down to what Turkey and Greece are doing. Except that there is greater military disparity.

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South Wales East AM Mark Reckless set to quit UKIP

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-politics-39506346

Its being to look like the fall of UKIP now and if they loose big in the up coming elections then it truly is all over for them. But like Labour they will dream on and live in dream land.

[Jimbuna]

Very well said Nigel

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...l-farage-video

[Catfish]

^ I'm sure Nigel is astonished to see the EU act united. Maybe he should have mentioned a few setbacks in case off the brexit, instead of promising the pie in the sky. What a show-off, still after he gallantly chickened away.
There is at least one advantage, after the next two years

[Jimbuna]

A united EU (27 v 1) will portray a sad and negative image to the rest of the world and do no good in the long run for the reputation of the EU.

I think Merkel in particular and definitely France (should Marine Le Pen win the forthcoming election) will not allow that to happen. I'm not wishing to sound overly patriotic but the UK will not be brow beaten by a bunch of net-receiving countries who are only in the game for self gratification/profit.

As I've already posted earlier, there is a long way to go and much negotiation to undertake but if it is a 'war' of trade/finance etc. some are after then bring it on. A series of reciprocal tariffs helps neither side but would marginally be advantageous to the UK, we import more from the EU than we export.

My confidence is high regarding which side is most worried that a precedence has been set and fear further similar events, never mind the damage to credibility in the eyes of the rest of the world (the EU accounts for only 15% of world trade IIRC).

A sensible compromise should be sought by both side lest the damage to both may well turn out to be irreparable.