Is Avon Lady coolest female on the net?

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Skybird

How do you Jews get it together with your religious laws that women are serving in your armed forces?

All major Jewish legal authorities forbid women from serving in the military.

Israel's military is mostly seculalrly run, with some special conditions for religious soldiers, including religious women who nevertheless decide to serve in the military.

[The Avon Lady]

I don't mind changing subjects.

Originally Posted by scandium

Deuteronomy 22:5: "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God."

Good old Deuteronomy, my favourite part of the Old Testament. One of the latter verses particularly amuses me:

Deuteronomy 22:22 "If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel."

Does your religious beliefs therefore also indicate, as this verse from the same book spells out so clearly and with no ambiguity, that adulterers are to be executed? Or do you just cherry pick which parts of the Old Testament to believe in?

Adultery is a capital crime. Nothing new here. I believe this has been discussed a long time ago here on the forums.

There are numerous sins which the Torah lists as capital crimes.

Why accuse me of cherry picking? :hmm:

Another favourite selection from Deuteronomy:

Oh, a connoisseur!

13:6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers...

13:9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

Do you believe that you have a God given obligation to murder those who convert to other faiths as well Avon? Just curious by such things having had my interest in religious dogma awakened by our recent discussions on it.

Heresy is also a capital crime.

This, too, has been discussed. You might want to google around to find out why Jewish courts have not tried capital cases for over 2000 years.

There's also this famous Mishna on the subject:

"A Sanhedrin (High Court) that executes once in seven years is called a destroyer. Rabbi Elazar ben Azariah says: (even) once in 70 years.".

And in order to convict anyone of a capital crime, there must be 2 actual eyewitnesses (no circumstantial evidence allowed) and the witnesses must have forwarned the individual(s) involved of their potential crime and its consequences.

G-d made it very difficult for mankind to ever reach the necessary conditions to arrive at a conviction. And when the worst of crimes became commonplace and indeed such executions began taking place more often, the Rabbinic leaders of those times canceled the Torah's own laws and capital cases were no longer tried.

I'll quote an appropriate portion from the article Capital Punishment and Curbing Crime:

But what then are we to do with all of the verses in the Torah delineating all the capital consequences and punishments of transgressions? The Torah was not simply wasting its time in an exercise in futility. So why does the Torah list and threaten numerous punishments if they are not easily designed ever to be carried out?

The answer is this. The mark of social stability, morality, and lack of crime within any society is not necessarily based on the number of criminals who are actually convicted. What matters most is not how many arrests we make but the very fact that we put a law on the books and make a statement of what our values are. It is of utmost importance for a society to prohibit and make adultery illegal. Whether it is practical or possible to enforce such a law is irrelevant. We need to make the strong declaration that adultery is patented evil, regardless. We must make statements explaining our values.

Murder is unacceptable and deserving of death, whether we are able to punish all murderers or not.

We may think that it doesn't matter very much when we firmly state our morals even without the ability to carry out punishment. But it matters very much. The difference is the entire pulse and tone of our society. Children grow up with a sense of right and wrong in their outlooks and understanding when we clearly and cogently state our morals and values. If society has no stated values, the child will experiment with anything and everything and walk down immoral paths.



Again, I suggest googling for more information on the philosophy and history of Judaism and capital offenses.

EDIT: It's obvious, Scandium, that you wish to dig at Judaism in a way you think I have dug at Islam. No problemo. I would, however, like to know if you think I have said anything derogatory of Islam simply for the fact that Islam, too, advocates and carries out capital punishment for numerous crimes to this day? Please point out where I've made such statements against Islam. I believe I never have, though there is only minimal comparison on what it takes to get condemned to death in an Islamic court versus a Jewish court of 2000+ years ago.

This is especially true of charges of adultery against women in the Islamic judicial system, where so many women have been killed, often based on little more than heresay.

BTW, for the purpose of this discussion, the Judaic meaning of adultery refers to the act of consensual sexual intercourse between any man and a betrothed or married women. To the best of my knowledge, adultery in Islam is defined as also applying to unmarried women but then it is not a capital crime but rather subject to 100 lashes.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Novalogic's first Delta Force game. I downloaded the demo and - POOF - I was hooked.

Another DF veteran here!!! As you, I loved to snipe in that game.

Ok, we know the joke. Let's move on, mate. --NS

[bradclark1]

Couldn't keep away huh Kurushio. Knew you couldn't. Your little feelings aren't hurt anymore little boy?

[Khayman]

They also have good lawyers. I'm waiting for mine to deflate so I can get the house back. It's either that or she's gonna have an accident while knitting....

[Gizzmoe]

Guys, here´s something for you to read:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/faq....ules3_faq_item

[Skybird]

Gizzmoe is right with his hint. You two better talk whatever you have to talk in private now, and not on this board. And btw, Kurushio, it would be the second time within a short time frame that your posts eventually would need to get edited by the Admin. Maybe a good idea not to let it detoriate that far again. Simply let this thread die, that would be the most clever option.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Gizzmoe is right with his hint. You two better talk whatever you have to talk in private now, and not on this board. And btw, Kurushio, it would be the second time within a short time frame that your posts eventually would need to get edited by the Admin. Maybe a good idea not to let it detoriate that far again. Simply let this thread die, that would be the most clever option.

Yes, exactly. Kurushio, please check your Private Messages.

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by Gizzmoe

Guys, here´s something for you to read:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/faq....ules3_faq_item

My bad. You're right.

[The Avon Lady]

Die, thread, die!

Isn't it sad when you can't compliment someone without some jealous type starting crap? All this thread was about was complimenting Avon Lady...cos I remember her way back when she had her OpFlash FAQ and we met on various forums over the years. Greatly admired her...never really told her though. Thought I would here. Wow...what a mistake. Have to remember how many jerks are on the internet next time. My bad.

[Skybird]

War's das jetzt?

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by Kurushio

Isn't it sad when you can't compliment someone without some jealous type starting crap? All this thread was about was complimenting Avon Lady...cos I remember her way back when she had her OpFlash FAQ and we met on various forums over the years. Greatly admired her...never really told her though. Thought I would here. Wow...what a mistake. Have to remember how many jerks are on the internet next time. My bad.

Keep it to the PM's Kurushio. I'm enjoying them. Keep them coming.

[Takeda Shingen]

Ho, I return to the forum after a considerable absence, and I see that the squabling has not yielded. It is also apparant that when matters of state or leisure are unavaliable, some are content to fight it out over absolutely nothing at all.

To the point, there is nothing about The Avon Lady to indicate an absence of that which is good.* However, not being aware of all of the other females that are on the net, I am clearly underqualified in placing her at the top of such a pool


*I use 'good' in the purely Aquinian sense. I leave it to the individual members of the community to consult the Summa Theologiae for reference.