I Hate Single Ship Contacts!!!! - Page 4

U-Bones · 07-16-06, 01:03 PM

Loose lips sink ships.

The clear implication of that statement is that information is EFFECTIVELY funneled to the eager ears of u-boat captains. It was common knowledge. Information was commonly available, and it was commonly gathered and acted upon. Common, not rare.

Single ship contacts are not a statement that every other contact was a radio vector, as some seem to imply, but are REPRESENTITIVE of the product of many different forms of intel, none of which are modeled in game. IMO it is a fair representation. I respect differing opinions if they are logical.

If the goal of this thread is to make the game work as desired, then... edit the SCR and RDN campaign files to have the desired % for contact reports.

ReportPosProbability=0
or
ReportPosProbability=100
or anywhere in between.
Enjoy.

If the goal of the thread is to simply berate those with different opinions, or to impress with uberhistoricalness, then that should be pretty clear from here on out.

Any bets ?

Sir Big Jugs · 07-16-06, 01:07 PM

GREETINGS ALL I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT TO MAGUA THAT THROUGH VARIOUS METHODS UBOATS DID INDEED GET SINGLE SHIP CONTACT INFORMATION
STOP

IT WASNT AS GOOD AS WE GET IN SHIII BUT IT DID HAPPEN AS I AND OTHERS HAVE SHOWN
STOP

BEST REGADS FROM PUSTER BILL BQR

Man I just LOVE to decode Enigma messages!

Puster Bill · 07-16-06, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by U-Bones

uberhistoricalness

This is my new favorite word.

Puster Bill · 07-16-06, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brewster Pilot

GREETINGS ALL I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT TO MAGUA THAT THROUGH VARIOUS METHODS UBOATS DID INDEED GET SINGLE SHIP CONTACT INFORMATION
STOP

IT WASNT AS GOOD AS WE GET IN SHIII BUT IT DID HAPPEN AS I AND OTHERS HAVE SHOWN
STOP

BEST REGADS FROM PUSTER BILL BQR

Man I just LOVE to decode Enigma messages!

You da man BP, you da man!

So, are you ultra rich and have an enigma of your own, or are you like the rest of us peons?

By the way, the 'AR K' at the end are standard prosigns meaning 'End of Message' and 'Over'. They aren't part of the encoded message. To clarify a little, I edited the original post to have 'BT AR K' (Break text, end of message, over) on a separate line, to reduce confusion.

Now, can you tell me what the preamble to the message says?

Sir Big Jugs · 07-16-06, 01:16 PM

Quote:

You da man BP, you da man!

Quote:

So, are you ultra rich and have an enigma of your own, or are you like the rest of us peons?

Guess three times. . .

I'm 14 hey! Where'd I get the money?

Quote:

By the way, the 'AR K' at the end are standard prosigns meaning 'End of Message' and 'Over'. They aren't part of the encoded message. To clarify a little, I edited the original post to have 'BT AR K' (Break text, end of message, over) on a separate line, to reduce confusion.

Didn't know that. Sorry.

Quote:

Now, can you tell me what the preamble to the message says?

Does "MSG" stand for message by any chance. . .?

Puster Bill · 07-16-06, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brewster Pilot

Quote:

You da man BP, you da man!

Quote:

So, are you ultra rich and have an enigma of your own, or are you like the rest of us peons?

Guess three times. . .

I'm 14 hey! Where'd I get the money?

Quote:

By the way, the 'AR K' at the end are standard prosigns meaning 'End of Message' and 'Over'. They aren't part of the encoded message. To clarify a little, I edited the original post to have 'BT AR K' (Break text, end of message, over) on a separate line, to reduce confusion.

Didn't know that. Sorry.

Quote:

Now, can you tell me what the preamble to the message says?

Does "MSG" stand for message by any chance. . .?

Yep. Here is how it would look in fairly standard english:

PSE OM HR MSG BT

"Please Old Man Here Message [break text]"

"Old Man" is a common term to use in morse when you are talking to a male, but don't know his name. Actual age doesn't matter. If it's a female, they are 'YL', for 'Young Lady'.

NR 1 CK 63 0716 1735 BT

"Number 1, Check (number of groups in message) 63, Date, Time [break text]"

I'm not sure what kind of a preamble the Kriegsmarine used, and I didn't feel like looking it up, so I used a fairly common and generic preamble.

Don't feel bad, though. I was in the signals intelligence business many years ago, and have been a ham radio operator since then, so this stuff is second nature to me. I'll cut you some slack this time.

Anyone know where I can find undecoded raw intercepts online?

Sir Big Jugs · 07-16-06, 01:33 PM

You haven't established contact with OH2HMA (Finland) by any chance?:hmm:

Puster Bill · 07-16-06, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brewster Pilot

You haven't established contact with OH2HMA (Finland) by any chance?:hmm:

Give me a little time to check my logs. I'll let you know in a few minutes. I have contacted a few finnish stations.

I keep my logs in actual book form (I don't trust computers with stuff I truly want to keep. I'm a programmer/analyst and I know what happens to data!), so it will take a little while.

Puster Bill · 07-16-06, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brewster Pilot

You haven't established contact with OH2HMA (Finland) by any chance?:hmm:

Here are my Finnish contacts:

27 SEP 03 OH6NIO
'' OH6OS
28 SEP 03 OH7OI

Didn't find OH2HMA. Those three contacts were on 15 meters USB.

Sir Big Jugs · 07-16-06, 02:14 PM

OK. Thanks for searching! I appreciate it!

IF you ever happen to contact OH2HMA tell him greetings from "Totti". He'll know who it is. . .

Puster Bill · 07-16-06, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brewster Pilot

OK. Thanks for searching! I appreciate it!

IF you ever happen to contact OH2HMA tell him greetings from "Totti". He'll know who it is. . .

Will do, although I have to admit that SHIII seriously cuts into my operating time. Don't get on as much as I used to (although, my 2 year old son probably has more to do with that than SHIII).

07-16-06, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by U-Bones

Loose lips sink ships.

The clear implication of that statement is that information is EFFECTIVELY funneled to the eager ears of u-boat captains. It was common knowledge. Information was commonly available, and it was commonly gathered and acted upon. Common, not rare.

Single ship contacts are not a statement that every other contact was a radio vector, as some seem to imply, but are REPRESENTITIVE of the product of many different forms of intel, none of which are modeled in game. IMO it is a fair representation. I respect differing opinions if they are logical.

If the goal of this thread is to make the game work as desired, then... edit the SCR and RDN campaign files to have the desired % for contact reports.

ReportPosProbability=0
or
ReportPosProbability=100
or anywhere in between.
Enjoy.

If the goal of the thread is to simply berate those with different opinions, or to impress with uberhistoricalness, then that should be pretty clear from here on out.

Any bets ?

Disagreeing: yes.................Berating: No

Another word you might like besides "uberhistoricalness" is Farby, or Farbiness

You can probably google it to find the meaning.

Puster Bill · 07-16-06, 07:51 PM

Just for fun, I tried decoding my message with a 4 rotor Enigma, using the Beta wheel set to 'A' for both ring and rotor settings, along with the thin 'B' reflector, and it worked like a charm...

By the way, this is the niftiest enigma simulator I have found:

http://users.telenet.be/d.rijmenants/en/enigmasim.htm

It does Army/Luftwaffe and Navy 3 and 4 rotor. Plus it looks cool.

U-Bones · 07-16-06, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magua

Disagreeing: yes.................Berating: No
Another word you might like besides "uberhistoricalness" is Farby, or Farbiness
You can probably google it to find the meaning.

Nice one

ReportPosProbability=0% ??

OuNiS · 07-17-06, 04:28 AM

I like single contacts, but sound contacts.
Generally I seek contacts about 21 m suberged at very little speed 3-4 knots. Where HA reports sound contact, i try analyze sound (i not hunting on trawlers, fishingboats,
tugboats in may opinion ist's waste of shells/torps). When I recognize that sound is from much bigger trawlers etc. then I prepare to battle. In other case i sail away.
It's very exciting. Better than firing torpedos.i

07-16-06, 01:03 PM	#46
U-Bones Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Treading Water Posts: 847 Downloads: 56 Uploads: 0	Loose lips sink ships. The clear implication of that statement is that information is EFFECTIVELY funneled to the eager ears of u-boat captains. It was common knowledge. Information was commonly available, and it was commonly gathered and acted upon. Common, not rare. Single ship contacts are not a statement that every other contact was a radio vector, as some seem to imply, but are REPRESENTITIVE of the product of many different forms of intel, none of which are modeled in game. IMO it is a fair representation. I respect differing opinions if they are logical. If the goal of this thread is to make the game work as desired, then... edit the SCR and RDN campaign files to have the desired % for contact reports. ReportPosProbability=0 or ReportPosProbability=100 or anywhere in between. Enjoy. If the goal of the thread is to simply berate those with different opinions, or to impress with uberhistoricalness, then that should be pretty clear from here on out. Any bets ? Last edited by U-Bones; 07-16-06 at 01:07 PM.

07-16-06, 07:51 PM	#58
Puster Bill Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2006 Location: BA8758, or FN33eh for my fellow hams. Posts: 833 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Just for fun, I tried decoding my message with a 4 rotor Enigma, using the Beta wheel set to 'A' for both ring and rotor settings, along with the thin 'B' reflector, and it worked like a charm... By the way, this is the niftiest enigma simulator I have found: http://users.telenet.be/d.rijmenants/en/enigmasim.htm It does Army/Luftwaffe and Navy 3 and 4 rotor. Plus it looks cool. __________________ The U-Boat Commander of Love

07-16-06, 01:07 PM	#47
Sir Big Jugs Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 895 Downloads: 59 Uploads: 0	GREETINGS ALL I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT TO MAGUA THAT THROUGH VARIOUS METHODS UBOATS DID INDEED GET SINGLE SHIP CONTACT INFORMATION STOP IT WASNT AS GOOD AS WE GET IN SHIII BUT IT DID HAPPEN AS I AND OTHERS HAVE SHOWN STOP BEST REGADS FROM PUSTER BILL BQR *Man I just LOVE to decode Enigma messages!*

07-16-06, 01:33 PM	#52
Sir Big Jugs Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 895 Downloads: 59 Uploads: 0	You haven't established contact with OH2HMA (Finland) by any chance?:hmm:

07-16-06, 02:14 PM	#55
Sir Big Jugs Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 895 Downloads: 59 Uploads: 0	OK. Thanks for searching! I appreciate it! IF you ever happen to contact OH2HMA tell him greetings from "Totti". He'll know who it is. . .

07-17-06, 04:28 AM	#60
OuNiS Engineer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Poland Posts: 209 Downloads: 70 Uploads: 0	I like single contacts, but sound contacts. Generally I seek contacts about 21 m suberged at very little speed 3-4 knots. Where HA reports sound contact, i try analyze sound (i not hunting on trawlers, fishingboats, tugboats in may opinion ist's waste of shells/torps). When I recognize that sound is from much bigger trawlers etc. then I prepare to battle. In other case i sail away. It's very exciting. Better than firing torpedos.i