'Blair Force Ones'

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by STEED

AIM, WAIT FOR IT..........FIRE

Over to you Oberon get searching.

"Go on then boy! Find him! Find the prezzie!"

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

And the country wonders where all the money goes. I really want to give him a good kicking now.

Ol no you don't I'm first in line.

Ok, then. Let's put it another way. You're the Secretary of State and you need to know where the President is because of a developing crisis. You don't need to contact him, you just need to tell the Secretary of Defence, because he's on the phone asking you the whereabouts of the Pres.
You turn around and ask your personal assistant where the President is. She answers "Airforce 1". You tell the Secretary of Defence "Airforce 1".

The Secretery of Defence tells you to "eff off" in his mind.

Can I make it anymore obvious then this? THESE SILLY RULES AND PROTOCOL DON'T APPLY TO PEOPLE THAT COUNT!!! FOR EFFS SAKE!

Proof the Presidents official plane is called Airforce 1:

http://www.gifts.com/search/product/...7&prodID=59864

pwned :hmm:

[LoBlo]

Originally Posted by Kurushio

Ok, then. Let's put it another way. You're the Secretary of State and you need to know where the President is because of a developing crisis. You don't need to contact him, you just need to tell the Secretary of Defence, because he's on the phone asking you the whereabouts of the Pres.
You turn around and ask your personal assistant where the President is. She answers "Airforce 1". You tell the Secretary of Defence "Airforce 1".

The Secretery of Defence tells you to "eff off" in his mind.

Can I make it anymore obvious then this? THESE SILLY RULES AND PROTOCOL DON'T APPLY TO PEOPLE THAT COUNT!!! FOR EFFS SAKE!

Ok, then. Let's put it another way. You're the Secretary of State and you need to know where the President is because of a developing crisis. You don't need to contact him, you just need to tell the Secretary of Defence, because he's on the phone asking you the whereabouts of the Pres.
You turn around and ask your personal assistant where the President is. She answers "Airforce 1". You ask, where's Airforce 1. She states "Flying over NewMexico." "You tell the Secretary of Defence "He's in Airforce 1 over NewMexico".

Can I make it anymore obvious then this? THIS IS THE STUPIDIST TOPIC EVER!

Originally Posted by LoBlo

THIS IS THE STUPIDIST TOPIC EVER!

Agree...

...you're the Secretary of Defense and you know the Pres is flying over New Mexico on Airforce 1. And you know Mexican insurgents armed with SAMs are operating in New Mexico. Then you wonder....is the Airfoce 1 a plane with anti-AA capability? If only I knew the ACTUAL PLANE the President was in...

[LoBlo]

Originally Posted by Kurushio

...you're the Secretary of Defense and you know the Pres is flying over New Mexico on Airforce 1. And you know Mexican insurgents armed with SAMs are operating in New Mexico. Then you wonder....is the Airfoce 1 a plane with anti-AA capability? If only I knew the ACTUAL PLANE the President was in...

...and then you realize that... all of the planes of the presidential fleet have been given anti-aa capability... Duh!...which was the whole purpose of having a presendential fleet in the first place. And then you realize that your no longer going to participate in such a dumb discussion...


lb out

Originally Posted by LoBlo

...and then you realize that... all of the planes of the presidential fleet have been given anti-aa capability... Duh!...which was the whole purpose of having a presendential fleet in the first place. And then you realize that your no longer going to participate in such a dumb discussion...


lb out

Oh...come back!!! ...dumb discussions are the funnest!

....and then the Secretary of Defense realises that seeing the Pres could be flying in his Uncle Bob's crop-duster and it would still be called Airforce 1....

your turn!

[August]

Originally Posted by Kurushio

Ok, here's a little game for all of you. You have to find the missing President. He's lost in one of these planes. There are 3 planes to choose from:

Plane 1) Is a Cessna 172
Plane 2) Is his 747 he uses for official visits (AKA Airforce 1)
Plane 3) Is his 747 Emergency Command Post (AKA KNEECAP)

The only clue you have is...he's on Airforce 1.

...your job and national security depend on it. Have fun.

This is where your whole argument shows it's over simplified quality. That would NEVER, EVER be the only clue the SAR rescue team assigned to finding a missing president would be briefed on.

Don't you think the US military wouldn't know what type of plane the president is, or will be, flying in?

[August]

Originally Posted by Kurushio

Can I make it anymore obvious then this? THESE SILLY RULES AND PROTOCOL DON'T APPLY TO PEOPLE THAT COUNT!!! FOR EFFS SAKE!

Who are these people you keep talking about? Obviously they're not aviation enthusiasts, nor anyone whose ever been in the military or in the government, nor those who would know the difference between a call sign and a specific plane, nor the many people who disagree with you here in a submarine forum, so perhaps you're talking about children or maybe the simple minded?

Well, children are often given over simplified or inaccurate versions of a lot of things. The birds and the bees and Santa Claus are but two examples of many.

"What's the Presidents big blue plane called Daddy?"

"That's Airforce One Honey"

"That's a pretty plane Daddy"

"It sure is Pumpkin."

When she's old enough, and doesn't turn out to be simple minded, she'll eventuually learn all about Presidential air fleets and radio call sign protocals if she has an interest in such things. If she doesn't there's no real harm in her being inaccurate, but inaccurate she'll still be and if she tries to argue it in a military forum she's gonna set straight.

I think it's the reverse. Following illogical and confusing protocol is childish. For example...

Your job is to find out where the Pres is. So you ask someone who knows. And the person answers you "Airforce 1". Now, you have no idea what the actual plane the Pres is on, because by going with the illogical protocol (only for public and Hollywood use) of calling every plane the Pres is on "Airforce 1", you can never be sure WHICH plane he is on unless you have a follow up question i.e. "Yes, but which plane is Airforce 1 today?".

Which in the land of elves and fairys is fine. In the real world, where people hate making their job harder, is too important to make any mistakes (i.e. national security depends on it), you wont leave anything to chance, will not give any cause for confusion and will keep things simple and to the point:

Question: "Where is the President?"

Answer: "He's on KNEECAP." (because the President is on KNEECAP it does become "Airforce 1" according to protocol. This is duly noted, but not said. No discrepencies...no chance of confusion. End of story.

Thanks and goodnight.

p.s. Ask the guy with the football.

[August]

Originally Posted by Kurushio

I think it's the reverse. Following illogical and confusing protocol is childish. For example...

Your job is to find out where the Pres is. So you ask someone who knows. And the person answers you "Airforce 1". Now, you have no idea what the actual plane the Pres is on, because by going with the illogical protocol (only for public and Hollywood use) of calling every plane the Pres is on "Airforce 1", you can never be sure WHICH plane he is on unless you have a follow up question i.e. "Yes, but which plane is Airforce 1 today?".

Which in the land of elves and fairys is fine. In the real world, where people hate making their job harder, is too important to make any mistakes (i.e. national security depends on it), you wont leave anything to chance, will not give any cause for confusion and will keep things simple and to the point:

Question: "Where is the President?"

Answer: "He's on KNEECAP." (because the President is on KNEECAP it does become "Airforce 1" according to protocol. This is duly noted, but not said. No discrepencies...no chance of confusion. End of story.

Thanks and goodnight.

p.s. Ask the guy with the football.

Ok so you prove our point then. There IS no single aircraft named Air Force One. It's at very least either Boeing 747 number 28000 or Boeing 747 number 29000, take your pick, but if you think for one second that anyone who needs to know is ever unsure for a second which of the many aircraft the president flys in is currently Airforce One then you have absolutely no clue of you're talking about and should quit embarrassing yourself on this subject.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

I reckon he has some importance issues. He cant be Airforce 2 or Airforce 15 no, he's gotta be Airforce 1. I bet the air force is muttering to itself how they cant be number one. I know which I'd choose in a war situation.

[Oberon]

You turn around and ask your personal assistant where the President is. She answers "Airforce 1". You ask, where's Airforce 1. She states "Flying over NewMexico." "You tell the Secretary of Defence "He's in Airforce 1 over NewMexico".

Look! There he goes!!

[August]

Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

I reckon he has some importance issues. He cant be Airforce 2 or Airforce 15 no, he's gotta be Airforce 1. I bet the air force is muttering to itself how they cant be number one. I know which I'd choose in a war situation.

It's only Air Force One because it's an Air Force plane. Therefore the Air Force IS Airforce One. Besides, the President didn't make up the call sign, the Air Force did. I think the last President that named his own plane was Harry Truman and even then I wouldn't be suprised if the Air Force used a special call sign different than "Independance" (what Harrys personal AC was named")

Oh and regarding which plane a President would choose, well, he doesn't make that decision. Not that his orders would be ignored, but the US Treasury department controls and manages the Presidents movements from the second he leaves the private areas of the White House until he returns to them.

They, working with the rest of his huge staff, handle all the travel arrangements. He just says, "I want to go there, at this time" and they're the ones who get him to the Aircraft they have chosen for the purpose after the Secret Service has cleared the route and destination. He probably doesn't even know what plane he'll be flying until he boards it.