Gay marriage, why is this even an issue?

[Umfuld]

Okay bigot.

[August]

So we're all bigots and killers eh? Doesn't sound like you should be associating with us evil people. Maybe you should leave.

[Umfuld]

I'll do what I want, thanks. You like telling other people what they should and shouldn't do, don't you?

[August]

Originally Posted by Umfuld

I'll do what I want, thanks. You like telling other people what they should and shouldn't do, don't you?

No just making an observation. But I thought you were ignoring me? Can't get enough?

[Umfuld]

Haha. This is good for you I think. I'd stop debating with me if I were you as well.

Cheers.

[August]

Originally Posted by Umfuld

Haha. This is good for you I think. I'd stop debating with me if I were you as well.

Cheers.

You call this debate? Haha that's as funny as gay marriage!

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by August

So we're all bigots and killers eh? Doesn't sound like you should be associating with us evil people. Maybe you should leave.

Actually, the bigots are everywhere. Run for the hills. :p (Sarcasm off)

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT

[Umfuld]

No. It was a failed attempt at debate made by me.

I'll try again:

Yes or no?


Anyone? Anyone?

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Umfuld

No. It was a failed attempt at debate made by me.

I'll try again:

Yes or no?

Your question is irrelevant. Because marriage is already defined as between a man and a woman as stated by the law and the definition of the word. Any man may get married to any woman by definition. You have to make believe a scenario that has no play in the real world to try and support your flawed arguments. That is very illogical, and no point can be made from you and your made up scenario.

And the debate was over a long time ago. You lost it once you began to play the childish name calling game. Name calling is the admission of a lost argument.

You're just not worth the time anymore.

[Bort]

ALRIGHT, ALRIGHT!!!


This thread has gotten much too silly, what with all the name calling and such, now get back into a civil discussion or the moderators will undoubtedly end this thread here and now!
(Graham Chapman, ironically enough, was gay)

[Umfuld]

Yeah. And perhaps the funniest man to ever live.

[joea]

Originally Posted by *[FOX]* Bort

ALRIGHT, ALRIGHT!!!


This thread has gotten much too silly, what with all the name calling and such, now get back into a civil discussion or the moderators will undoubtedly end this thread here and now!
(Graham Chapman, ironically enough, was gay)

Graham Chapman was gay? Good thing the other Pythons killed him.

Joke btw, look up how Eric Idle answered a homophobe who made a negative remark about Chapman.

My 2 centimes: live and let live...make a universal sort of pact for those register (and then can get married at a church if they so choose) and another type for couples who have lived together a certain number of years. There exists something like this in some European countries such as France for example. I still think the norm of a traditional hetero couple is desirable for raising children for the reasons already evoked here, having male and female role models.

Umfuld, even if I agree with you on this issue I think you are a bit too abusive, just a minor example making a swipe at those of us who persue a college education for example (Masters in my case). Never thought I was superior to anyone else because of that. Or calling everyone with a contrary view a bigot.

[Umfuld]

Thanks for your thoughts, Joea. Yes, I am a bit abusive. But I'm having trouble understanding why my use of the word bigot is ruffling so many feathers.
I do not have problems with people disagreeing with me. But I am passionate about putting people in their place if their goal is to infringe on others rights. Nothing upsets me more than this, and as I indicated with my first post on this thread, I was seriously offended.
My use of the word bigot on this thread was never intended as in insult or to be hurtful. As silly as it may sound, I do hold out hope that the people who've argued against gay marriage on this thread will see themselves in a different manner after discusssing the matter with me.
I am quite aware that bigots never think of themselves as bigots, and it was my intention to inform them that they, in fact, are.

Not simply because they disagree with me. But because they couldn't come up with a reason to support their ideas. At first, it was about children somehow. When I gave them a simple yes or no question to dismiss their logic, they ALL ignored that question.
Now their argument is some sort of circular nonsense about dictionary definitions. And that isn't a valid point. Leaving me to the only conclusion available. They don't like gay people. And no matter how much they deny it, think of gay people as something other than human beings with the same rights as they have.


I'm not sure what you mean by a swipe a college. I made no swipe at college. I realize that you need at least GED to go to college (I mean, I think that's true), but my comment about the GED was in regards to the GED on it's own. I held many jobs before I retired, and everyone one of them required at least a GED. But in reality not once did my lack of one stop me from getting a job. This is how my 'useless' comment was intended. Sorry if it was unclear, but understand that I was responding to a post that was just trying to insult me. And I was only too happy to let that person know they'd actually given me a great compliment.

[Skybird]

It starts to become a little bit too rich.

Originally Posted by Umfuld

Thanks for your thoughts, Joea. Yes, I am a bit abusive. But I'm having trouble understanding why my use of the word bigot is ruffling so many feathers.

That is no excuse for showing no manners. The world does not revolve around what you understand and what not.

I do not have problems with people disagreeing with me. But I am passionate about putting people in their place if their goal is to infringe on others rights. Nothing upsets me more than this, and as I indicated with my first post on this thread, I was seriously offended.

It escapes my understanding why someone who is not gay and must not be affected by gay's relations nevertheless makes it his personal mission to tell people about what gays do need in order to live happily. It also escapes my understanding how a remark by me that I had loose friendships with gays myself and that we dealt normally, without the big tamtam some are making of it, could be offensive to anyone. You simply feel offended becasue my opnion violates your imagination of what people have to think on this - sharing your opinion, that is. It is not about gays. It is about you.

My use of the word bigot on this thread was never intended as in insult or to be hurtful.

Sure. Not at all, we believe it blindly.

As silly as it may sound, I do hold out hope that the people who've argued against gay marriage on this thread will see themselves in a different manner after discusssing the matter with me.

My God, how fantastic you are. The board bows and apologizes that we did not realize your greatness earlier.

I am quite aware that bigots never think of themselves as bigots, and it was my intention to inform them that they, in fact, are.

Start with yourself. you are definetly in serious need of it.

Not simply because they disagree with me. But because they couldn't come up with a reason to support their ideas. At first, it was about children somehow. When I gave them a simple yes or no question to dismiss their logic, they ALL ignored that question.

Impossible to imagine that people may had come to the conclusion that your broken chain of loose and contradictory thoughts was missing that logic that you claim for yourself. Also, generalizing hairsplitting exceptions from the rule and replace the rule by the exception that wayand think of that as being a valid argument does not do a convincing job.

You are not around for too long, but already managed to bring up several of the regular board members against you. Not so much by your opinion, but by your arrogant manners. Like some others already have indicated more or less directly, I would prefer you to change that, or to leave.

I don't know, it frightens me that people feel so free to express their bigotries with no fear of any consequences. It's a scary time we live in. - Remember your own words, eventually?

"Du bist zu selbstüberzeugt, kleiner Mann."

[Umfuld]

Skylark, I don't read your posts since your first one on this thread. Any chance you answered Yes or no yet? Much of your first post hinged on the 'marriage is for children' argument.

So...still waiting there, Chief, or what?