The Silent Hunter IV (Pacific Campaign) WISH-LIST - Page 4

gdogghenrikson · 12-18-05, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Cdre Gibs

The only thing I wish for - is that its not another "US" based game.
I for 1 am getting sick ta death of just about every damn game that comes out you have to play as a bloody yank !

If we as the player can CHOOSE what side we want to play (or indeed for online to be able to choose between subs and surface elements), then good, if not, I see no point to SH4.

I agree with you 100%

gdogghenrikson · 12-18-05, 06:56 AM

I also wish this game is WW1 instead of WW2, WW2 games are a dime a dozen

Type941 · 12-18-05, 07:02 AM

I want a SIMULATION that tells me how the Japanese and US boats were in the war, and compare them one on one - not a propoganda in a box, Pearl Harbour the movie style...

CptGrayWolf · 12-18-05, 07:07 AM

I really don't see the problem with playing a 'yank' as you say. Wasn't the last dynamic submarine simulation featuring US in the pacific, SH1 in DOS back in 1997?
So of course there is a point to SH4.
Go devs! Put me in a Gato/Balao anytime!

Sniper_1 · 12-18-05, 07:41 AM

While some of us might agree that PC and Console games do have an overwhelming bias towards the US (dammed yankee imperialist cultural hegemony

.... :P ), the fact reamins that most of the games are either developed by US companies or for the US market (still regarded as the market to sell into). The situation is somewhat similar to that of Hollywood, it makes films overwhelmingly about US topics/subjects and yet sells them allover the world.

That said, the US submarine campaign against the IJN and the Jap merchant fleet is still the only sucessful submarine campaign in history (in that it emasculated the jap war economy and materially contributed to the victory of the US). For this reason alone i'd buy SH4, plus the fleet boats were magnificent subs, bristling with the allies latest electronic gear by the end of the war.

Sniper_1

Sniper_1 · 12-18-05, 07:43 AM

While some of us might agree that PC and Console games do have an overwhelming bias towards the US (dammed yankee imperialist cultural hegemony

.... :P ), the fact reamins that most of the games are either developed by US companies or for the US market (still regarded as the market to sell into). The situation is somewhat similar to that of Hollywood, it makes films overwhelmingly about US topics/subjects and yet sells them allover the world.

That said, the US submarine campaign against the IJN and the Jap merchant fleet is still the only sucessful submarine campaign in history (in that it emasculated the jap war economy and materially contributed to the victory of the US). For this reason alone i'd buy SH4, plus the fleet boats were magnificent subs, bristling with the allies latest electronic gear by the end of the war.

Sniper_1

CB.. · 12-18-05, 07:45 AM

being able to select your choice of side would be a major boon--

American British and especailly japanese and german aswell--
i don't think any game has given the player the opportunity to play as a japanese sub commander as yet --? it cannot be any more contraversial than playing as a german u-boat commander surely --i'd be interested to see what feelings this aroused whilst playing--
and of course it would be great to be able to play as a brit commander--(being a brit) and i think with some thought the opportunity for some sort of on-line massively multiplayer campaign would be possible if allied and axis commanders were written in---even without human DD's some sort of comparitive tonnage results could be used to calculate victory or defeat--
perhaps using a moving "front line" marked on the map that moved according to each sides results---basic and a bit cheesy but with massive multiplayer it would be reasonably satisfying

gdogghenrikson · 12-18-05, 07:48 AM

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i don't think any game has given the player the opportunity to play as a japanese sub commander as yet --? it cannot be any more contraversial than playing as a german u-boat commander surely --i'd be interested to see what feelings this aroused whilst playing--

Contraversial??

CB.. · 12-18-05, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by gdogghenrikson

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i don't think any game has given the player the opportunity to play as a japanese sub commander as yet --? it cannot be any more contraversial than playing as a german u-boat commander surely --i'd be interested to see what feelings this aroused whilst playing--

Contraversial??

he he!! that was quick---discuss lol

gdogghenrikson · 12-18-05, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by CB..

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Originally Posted by gdogghenrikson

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i don't think any game has given the player the opportunity to play as a japanese sub commander as yet --? it cannot be any more contraversial than playing as a german u-boat commander surely --i'd be interested to see what feelings this aroused whilst playing--

Contraversial??

he he!! that was quick---discuss lol

Define contraversial

CB.. · 12-18-05, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by gdogghenrikson

Define contraversial

morally complicated/uncomfortable-- :hmm: perhaps--thought provoking emotionally interesting--what does it feel like to be fighting against the Allies believing your self to be correct in doing so etc etc---morally complicated from the players and historical point of view---etc

gdogghenrikson · 12-18-05, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by CB..

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Originally Posted by gdogghenrikson

Define contraversial

morally complicated/uncomfortable-- :hmm: perhaps--thought provoking emotionally interesting--what does it feel like to be fighting against the Allies believing your self to be correct in doing so etc etc---morally complicated from the players and historical point of view---etc

sounds like something my friend would say. when he first saw me play SH3 he told me it is odd to make a war game where you play as the "bad guys". But my queston is what defines a "bad guy". reminds me of the scene in Saving Private Ryan when the allies/americans have a few nazi solders cornered and they are trying to surrender and one of the allied solders blows his head off. wouldnt that make the allied solder a "bad Guy"

people say things are contraversial way to often. before you know it Super Mario Bros will be contraversial. think about it, Mario eats shrooms right, he also jumps on peoples heads and throws fire at people...so that could make mario a "bad guy", right

CB.. · 12-18-05, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by gdogghenrikson

sounds like something my friend would say. when he first saw me play SH3 he told me it is odd to make a war game where you play as the "bad guys". But my queston is what defines a "bad guy". reminds me of the scene in Saving Private Ryan when the allies/americans have a few nazi solders cornered and they are trying to surrender and one of the allied solders blows his head off. wouldnt that make the allied solder a "bad Guy"

people say things are contraversial way to often. before you know it Super Mario Bros will be contraversial. think about it, Mario eats shrooms right, he also jumps on peoples heads and throws fire at people...so that could make mario a "bad guy", right

as i was saying-- morally complicated

but lets not go off on some daft tangent based on the interpretation of events depicted in a movie and or a game--that would be idiotic

gdogghenrikson · 12-18-05, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by CB..

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Originally Posted by gdogghenrikson

sounds like something my friend would say. when he first saw me play SH3 he told me it is odd to make a war game where you play as the "bad guys". But my queston is what defines a "bad guy". reminds me of the scene in Saving Private Ryan when the allies/americans have a few nazi solders cornered and they are trying to surrender and one of the allied solders blows his head off. wouldnt that make the allied solder a "bad Guy"

people say things are contraversial way to often. before you know it Super Mario Bros will be contraversial. think about it, Mario eats shrooms right, he also jumps on peoples heads and throws fire at people...so that could make mario a "bad guy", right

as i was saying-- morally complicated

but lets not go off on some daft tangent based on the interpretation of events depicted in a movie and or a game--that would be idiotic

what is morally wrong with playing games that deal with nazis
If you dont like it, DONT BUY IT!!

CB.. · 12-18-05, 08:35 AM

i did say it was controversial remember --you really didn't have to prove the point for me you know by starting an argument

:rotfl:

12-18-05, 06:56 AM	#2
gdogghenrikson Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 978 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I also wish this game is WW1 instead of WW2, WW2 games are a dime a dozen __________________ And when you loose control, you'll reap the harvest you have sown.

12-18-05, 07:02 AM	#3
Type941 Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Location: U-52 Posts: 1,270 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	I want a SIMULATION that tells me how the Japanese and US boats were in the war, and compare them one on one - not a propoganda in a box, Pearl Harbour the movie style... __________________ Sink the Bismarck SH3 Movie

12-18-05, 07:07 AM	#4
CptGrayWolf Commander Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Saint Lawrence Seaway Posts: 459 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	I really don't see the problem with playing a 'yank' as you say. Wasn't the last dynamic submarine simulation featuring US in the pacific, SH1 in DOS back in 1997? So of course there is a point to SH4. Go devs! Put me in a Gato/Balao anytime! __________________ Thomas Voltz, U-93 VIIc, Aug 1940, at sea patrol 1 GWX3 Gold, 100%

12-18-05, 07:41 AM	#5
Sniper_1 A-ganger Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 71 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	While some of us might agree that PC and Console games do have an overwhelming bias towards the US (dammed yankee imperialist cultural hegemony .... :P ), the fact reamins that most of the games are either developed by US companies or for the US market (still regarded as the market to sell into). The situation is somewhat similar to that of Hollywood, it makes films overwhelmingly about US topics/subjects and yet sells them allover the world. That said, the US submarine campaign against the IJN and the Jap merchant fleet is still the only sucessful submarine campaign in history (in that it emasculated the jap war economy and materially contributed to the victory of the US). For this reason alone i'd buy SH4, plus the fleet boats were magnificent subs, bristling with the allies latest electronic gear by the end of the war. Sniper_1 __________________ Happiness and moral duty are inseparably connected. George Washington

12-18-05, 07:43 AM	#6
Sniper_1 A-ganger Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 71 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	While some of us might agree that PC and Console games do have an overwhelming bias towards the US (dammed yankee imperialist cultural hegemony .... :P ), the fact reamins that most of the games are either developed by US companies or for the US market (still regarded as the market to sell into). The situation is somewhat similar to that of Hollywood, it makes films overwhelmingly about US topics/subjects and yet sells them allover the world. That said, the US submarine campaign against the IJN and the Jap merchant fleet is still the only sucessful submarine campaign in history (in that it emasculated the jap war economy and materially contributed to the victory of the US). For this reason alone i'd buy SH4, plus the fleet boats were magnificent subs, bristling with the allies latest electronic gear by the end of the war. Sniper_1 __________________ Happiness and moral duty are inseparably connected. George Washington

12-18-05, 07:45 AM	#7
CB.. Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,278 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	being able to select your choice of side would be a major boon-- American British and especailly japanese and german aswell-- i don't think any game has given the player the opportunity to play as a japanese sub commander as yet --? it cannot be any more contraversial than playing as a german u-boat commander surely --i'd be interested to see what feelings this aroused whilst playing-- and of course it would be great to be able to play as a brit commander--(being a brit) and i think with some thought the opportunity for some sort of on-line massively multiplayer campaign would be possible if allied and axis commanders were written in---even without human DD's some sort of comparitive tonnage results could be used to calculate victory or defeat-- perhaps using a moving "front line" marked on the map that moved according to each sides results---basic and a bit cheesy but with massive multiplayer it would be reasonably satisfying __________________ the world's tinyiest sh3 supermod- and other SH3/SH2 stuff http://www.ebort2.co.uk/ The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. W.B.Yeats

12-18-05, 08:35 AM	#15
CB.. Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,278 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	i did say it was controversial remember --you really didn't have to prove the point for me you know by starting an argument :rotfl: __________________ the world's tinyiest sh3 supermod- and other SH3/SH2 stuff http://www.ebort2.co.uk/ The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. W.B.Yeats