German Navy ExPack1.01 Released Plus Hotfix

[Marhkimov]

Not that I care or anything, but is it TOO MUCH to ask that you mention one or two names? I would totally understand your dilemma if the credits came out something like this:

The original ship was created by Jack, who modified Greg's Delta file and reskinned Howard's textures. Also, Mark added cranes to the ship and alterred the config settings. Tom and Jason remodelled the tower, and Zach added the reflections. So all in all, thank you to Jack, Greg, Howard, Mark, Tom, Jason, and Zach for making such a beautiful ship.

But credits are usually never like that. I mean, at the very least you could have mentioned Sergbuto and Type941. You know, they aren't asking for a whole lot...

Type36A cloned from Sergbuto's multi-skinned Type34.
Tirpitz and Type36A skins by Type941.

Or if that's still too much for you, you could always simply mention them...

Thanks to Sergbuto and Type941 for their fine work, which I have modded.



Really, they aren't asking for very much other than some recognition. For all of their hard work, they deserve at least something...

[andy_311]

Originally Posted by Cdr Gibs

To do that you would need to edit the Campain files, noticably the SCR file. However I believe that the HT mod is using the Bismark as a subsitute Tirpitz. If you have this mod just do a search of the HT Mods SCR file and look for the Tirpitz group. Inside that group you will see the ship BBBismark, change that to BBTirpitz and it will now show up in campain mode whenever the Tirpitz group is run. This can all be done with notepad.

Thanks for the info the only HT mod i got is 1.46 but when I installed it Iwas in early 44 hope this is the mod your talking about.,

the other thing I would like to know is where is this mission you are all going on about? is it d/loadable at the momment and where can I get it from.
thanks

[JScones]

Originally Posted by Cdr Gibs

This is the Standed Credit Statement from now on in all my mods:

VTC Standed Credit Statement:
If any other Mods/skins/Tools are included in this Mod or were used to create this Mod, all credits for those said Mods/Skins/Tools goes to the original creater of those Mods/skins/Tools. There are to many to state/List and we/you all know who they/you are.

Its not subject to change.

Disgusting.

I'm with marhkimov et al. It's not too much to ask that you respect those that have taken the time and effort to create the original piece of work by taking the time and effort yourself to appropriately credit their work.

Otherwise, well, you know what backlash a certain software company has received here...

[Beery]

Originally Posted by Cdr Gibs

...all credits for those said Mods/Skins/Tools goes to the original creater of those Mods/skins/Tools. There are to many to state/List and we/you all know who they/you are...

How many are there? RUb has over 150 credit listings. How many is too many?

[Marhkimov]

Originally Posted by Beery

RUb has over 150 credit listings.

Of all people, I would be perfectly ok with letting Beery off the hook... yet even he still manages to give credit where credit is due...

[The Avon Lady]

There's a pattern here.

I think it' worth repeating my original post at the top of this thread:

I've immediately lost interest in this mod.

I won't use it in principal.

Grow up

[sergbuto]

Originally Posted by Cdr Gibs

This is the Standed Credit Statement from now on in all my mods:

VTC Standed Credit Statement:
If any other Mods/skins/Tools are included in this Mod or were used to create this Mod, all credits for those said Mods/Skins/Tools goes to the original creater of those Mods/skins/Tools. There are to many to state/List and we/you all know who they/you are.

Its not subject to change.

In that case, I warn you, do not use any of my material or my mods.

[sergbuto]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

There's a pattern here.

Yes.

It is one thing to present screenies of 3d models from Espona collection or Battlefield 1942 and in a way to give an impression that they are made by a presenting person by ignoring direct questions from people who do not know. This only causes a smile from people who are aware of the model origin.

And it is another thing to take advantage of somebodyelse's work and actually release that as presenter's own creation and when pointed out to blame own memory like the material used is not available any more and it is impossible to look up the info about authors.

[Marhkimov]

Originally Posted by Cdr Gibbs

Lets say Tom builds a house and so does Harry, and they live next door to each other, Now lets say 1 day Tom decides to put in a french bay window in the front of his house, Harry after seeing how good this looks decides to do the same. Now I ask you, did Harry use Toms window ??

The answer is of course NO.

The answer is YES... Although no windows were physically taken, the idea of Tom's windows were planted into Harry's mind. I am an english lit major so trust me when I say that I know a thing or two about copyright laws and copyright infringement. You might think it is obsurd, but even ideas should be credited.

I'm not here to bust your chops about what you've done in the past, because quite frankly that doesn't even matter. I just hope that in the future you would consider writing a short reference to certain people and mods. It really shouldn't matter if you took directly or just took their ideas, just leave them a thank you note...




Honestly, Gibbs, I don't even know why I care so much...

Oh, that's right... Some bastard in real life took some "ideas" from one of my thesis papers, and needless to say, he gained some acclaim... Also needless to say, I got didly squat for it. Not even a worthless thank you...

[JScones]

Originally Posted by Cdr Gibs

IIRC I looked at what serg had done ealier and did the same, for that I get all this CRAP!!! I always work off a set of original vanilla backed up files so as NOT to get any corruption when I do my tweaking. This does not stop me or any1 else LOOKING at what some1 else has done and utilised that very same technique. This is how it can get confusing. And just because I or any1 else may not remember every damn lil thing that they looked at and decided to use that same technique does not give any1 the right to get prissy.

Oh, so you merely plagiarised serg’s work. Well, that’s different…NOT!

You see, the difference is, Harry realised that having his window too similar to Tom’s may create friction, so he modified it sufficiently, so that the thought of merely copying Tom was not as obvious.

Remember Bright Tunes Music Corp. v. Harrisongs Music, Ltd. et al, 420 F. Supp 177 (1976)? Or, more commonly, My Sweet Lord v He's So Fine?

Here’s all that is needed (taken from the next release of SH3 Commander):
- Added ability to randomise gramophone tracks (based on original concept of JXP's)
- Added ability to adjust wave height (based on original concept of TimeTraveller's)

Clear conscience.

[chaos]

i have a clean vanilla version of sh3 and i've been modding it with our team with no other peoples mods, because we wanted to add new ships and skins merchant and warships.so far we have ship pack 1 with 15 new ships.
Well i was going to release our mod..but with all this back biting and complaining i dont think i'll bother now

[Type941]

Gibs = Unless you credit me properly for the skins I made - you do not have a permission to use them.

This is as simple as they come. Either respect my request or make it on your own.

[sergbuto]

Originally Posted by Cdr Gibs

I dont see what all the fuss is about.

That is presicely the problem.

Originally Posted by Cdr Gibs

IIRC I looked at what serg had done ealier and did the same, for that I get all this CRAP!!! I always work off a set of original vanilla backed up files so as NOT to get any corruption when I do my tweaking. This does not stop me or any1 else LOOKING at what some1 else has done and utilised that very same technique. This is how it can get confusing. And just because I or any1 else may not remember every damn lil thing that they looked at and decided to use that same technique does not give any1 the right to get prissy.

One thing is to use the same technique and another to use the same file from somebodyelse's mod. There are some ways to tell that by f.e. leaving certain changes in the file, although admittingly they can be also presicely copied by a simple comparison of the two files. But somehow I find hard to believe you after mentioned above "memory losses" and failure to give appropriate credits in obvious cases, such as Type941's skins. Why did not you apply the same technique to any other model, f.e. Vorpostenboot which needs the multi-skin option much more than Type36?

[sergbuto]

Originally Posted by chaos

i have a clean vanilla version of sh3 and i've been modding it with our team with no other peoples mods, because we wanted to add new ships and skins merchant and warships.so far we have ship pack 1 with 15 new ships.
Well i was going to release our mod..but with all this back biting and complaining i dont think i'll bother now

Why would anyone be afraid of back biting and complaning with respect to credits and author rights after a mod realease which was made from scratch by the releasing person?

OR

Why would anyone be afraid of back biting and complaning with respect to credits and author rights after a mod realease where somebodyelse's work is appropriately credited?

[oRGy]

Excuse me, but I see an extreme lack of politeness and respect on all sides here.

Modders seem to think that because cdr gibs forgot / was careless about credits in a readme, that he's the new X1 Software and deserves to be flamed to hell and back.

This is lame. While credit should be given where it's due, whatever happened to just asking in a polite tone to add the credit? Or via PM? Instead of having a ****ing ridiculous flame war and creating huge divisions?

Some modders here seem to forget that unless you make a wholly original work (like a new texture, sound, or text), Ubisoft owns your work, you do NOT. This is why no-one has sued X1 Software and never will.

Therefore if someone forgets to credit you for discovering say, multiple skin textures or some fatigue tweak, it's not a legal issue. It's a moral one, if you feel you deserve recognition. But the way to sort this out is privately and with respect, in a spirit of cooperation etc. But I am not seeing this here.

This reminds me precisely why mod communities are at the end of the day a bad idea - people have the illusion of ownership and get the idea that they're some sort of real game developers. They're not - they're fiddlers and tweakers with somebody elses game and to develop flaming egos as a result is pathetic.

I'm sure people have noted that I try to be constructive around here. But if some people here are stirring the pot in order to suit their own personal agendas, I simply will not work in such an environment.