Should Mr G.W.Bush be charged with War Crimes

[Damo1977]

Originally Posted by MadMike

Damo,
I suppose that makes us former and all active duty U.S. servicemen "war criminals" in your eyes (me especially since I worked on "weapons of mass destruction"!!! ).
Talk to me when all those SS and NKVD murderers are brought to justice for their atrocities during WWII. I sincerely doubt Russia is pursuing "war crimes" indictments against those who perpetrated the Katyn forest massacre of 4,000 Polish patriots, nor the abuses committed in the Gulag.
Say, what was that fellow's name (er, terrorist) who was living in Baghdad and assasinated by Uncle Saddam's henchmen?!?

Damo writes-

"...and than ran a prison camp called 'Guantanamo' off shore which never mind the activities in the camp is still illegal against the Geneva Convention."

Once again, you don't know what you're talking about. The Geneva Convention applies only to prisoners of war of a recognized army. Read the provisions of Article 4 yourself.

I'm amazed that you insist that Bush is a "war criminal", while ignoring the atrocities committed by Saddam Hussein. Typical anti-American socialist blather.

Yours, Mike

IYAAYAS!

Retired Imperialist Air Pirate

Did I ever attack the US serviceman that followed orders from civis that hide behind desks? I don't believe I did.

Also you state that the Geneva Convention apllies only to recognised armies, so basically you are saying Iraq didn't have an army only trained terrorists, and the atrocities in Abu Gabi prison camp didn't happen and no US servicemen were sentenced.

And with this comment "I'm amazed that you insist that Bush is a "war criminal", while ignoring the atrocities committed by Saddam Hussein. Typical anti-American socialist blather." you are saying its alright to treat POWs badly as long as they did it first. Also since you believe I am anti-American socialist, I have to ask with arrogant comments like that, is it really such a wonder the world is turning against the USA.

Sea Demon says "Saddam did not live up to his agreements after the cease fire."

Oh so the US actually found Saddam's WMDs and links to Al Queda, I must have missed it.

Also after reading posts from a minority of Americans, I gather that any army/soldier that fights against USA is a terrorist. :hmm:

:rotfl: I am anti-American socialist, I shall remember that :rotfl:

[bradclark1]

Odd coming from me but this thread isn't worth the effort.

Brad

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by Damo1977

Basically the question speaks for itself............But this ain't no anti-American thread, this is being discussed around the world.

MR George Bush went against the UN vote and invaded a sovereign nation, and than ran a prison camp called 'Guantanamo' off shore which never mind the activities in the camp is still illegal against the Geneva Convention.
Mr Bush mentions that those held in 'Guantanamo' are enemy combatants, so legally they should stand under the Geneva Convention and not locked in cells like Cassius Clay.

Before you vote I would just like to say, now that the Geneva Convention has been broken by the Mr Bush, I would like to thank him, for he has shown the way for all Western enemies to treat US and Allied prisoners of war. I must say thank you again.

This took you 3 hours to compose?.....Now I'm more scared of Damo1977 then of GWB lmao... :rotfl: What a load of Texas horse pucky's of a topic of a post....can't wait for the next one.

[August]

I don't see it as two separate wars at all. Since the signing of the cease fire agreement in 91 American and British troops have patrolled the borders and skies of iraq, being shot at, while we waited for the regime in Iraq to become less of a threat.

By "threat" i'm not talking about WMDs or other military hardware but rather the intentions of an extremely wealthy dictator with a serious axe to grind against us.

If we had left Saddam in power he would have taken revenge for the bloody nose we gave him eventually. While his current weapons capability may have been overestimated, (encouraged by Saddam himself), it wouldn't have been long once sanctions had been lifted before he had the means to really hurt us.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Damo1977

Sea Demon says "Saddam did not live up to his agreements after the cease fire."

Oh so the US actually found Saddam's WMDs and links to Al Queda, I must have missed it.

Yep, you must have missed it. Well for those of us who actually do pay attention, Saddam failed to comply with:

Resolution 687 - This is the failure to cooperate with U.N. inspectors and IAEA personnel. They were to be given...now pay attention here Damo......immediate, unimpeded, unconditional, and unrestricted access to Presidential sites, weapons making and storage facilities, and military storage depots. Saddam failed to comply.

Resolution 688 - This one was to allow humanitarian organizations into Iraq to aid the population unimpeded. And Saddam had to stop repressing his people. Saddam failed to comply.

These are the 2 of the biggest busts for Saddam. But Saddam failed to comply with Resolutions 1154, 686, and much much more. Saddam didn't live up to any of these Resolutions. And there were provisions to go in with MILITARY FORCE as a last resort. I think that after 11 years, we showed too much patience.

Have you bothered to read the Kay report. While they showed that Saddam had no link to 9/11, Saddam did have a link to Al Qaeda and was involved with terrorist financing. Have you ever heard of Salman Pak? Did you know Saddam was paying the families of terrorists $10,000 for murder? There was also a link to Al Qaeda established....unrefuted. Oh, and by the way, the U.S. military did find WMD in Iraq. They found enough Sarin gas and anthrax to kill 350,000 people. That's WMD. Wake up, dude.

Sea Demon

[August]

Originally Posted by Kapitain

oh and i was talking about the brits there

Do you have any evidence that Bush personally ordered this particular detention? Remember the premise is a call for the trial of an individual, not a government.

[August]

Originally Posted by Iceman

This took you 3 hours to compose?.....Now I'm more scared of Damo1977 then of GWB lmao... :rotfl: What a load of Texas horse pucky's of a topic of a post....can't wait for the next one.

Did you wait all three hours to make this witty riposte? People post when real life allows them to post, not according to the schedule of some rude anonymous internet personality. Maybe you'd be happier in an AOL chat room.

[Damo1977]

Originally Posted by August

Did you wait all three hours to make this witty riposte? People post when real life allows them to post, not according to the schedule of some rude anonymous internet personality. Maybe you'd be happier in an AOL chat room.

I think thank you August,

the reason why it took so long was I tried to word it properly, without making it seem offensive which I have done in the past , but alas I seemed to have failed again, plus I was having tea.

It is meant to be a question, not a statement, and definetely not a vindictive anti-American post....I just like seeing what are views from around the world, is that a crime?

But at this current rate of anti-Damo abuse I am starting to become anti-American Not really, whats that old saying,
"sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me"
:rotfl: Geez maybe some people should take notice of that old saying, or grow another layer of skin!

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Yep, you must have missed it. Well for those of us who actually do pay attention, Saddam failed to comply with:

Resolution 687 - This is the failure to cooperate with U.N. inspectors and IAEA personnel. They were to be given...now pay attention here Damo......immediate, unimpeded, unconditional, and unrestricted access to Presidential sites, weapons making and storage facilities, and military storage depots. Saddam failed to comply.

Resolution 688 - This one was to allow humanitarian organizations into Iraq to aid the population unimpeded. And Saddam had to stop repressing his people. Saddam failed to comply.

These are the 2 of the biggest busts for Saddam. But Saddam failed to comply with Resolutions 1154, 686, and much much more. Saddam didn't live up to any of these Resolutions. And there were provisions to go in with MILITARY FORCE as a last resort. I think that after 11 years, we showed too much patience.

Have you bothered to read the Kay report. While they showed that Saddam had no link to 9/11, Saddam did have a link to Al Qaeda and was involved with terrorist financing. Have you ever heard of Salman Pak? Did you know Saddam was paying the families of terrorists $10,000 for murder? There was also a link to Al Qaeda established....unrefuted. Oh, and by the way, the U.S. military did find WMD in Iraq. They found enough Sarin gas and anthrax to kill 350,000 people. That's WMD. Wake up, dude.

Sea Demon

Do you actually consider my reply to you here as .......Damo-abuse? It's just a reply to your statement. Sounds like you may need to grow another layer of skin, pal.

Sea Demon

[Justin Prince]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Don't get me started.

A. Mr. Bush is taking the soft approach to prisoners of war by keeping them prisoner. If you want to really follow the geneva convention, they should all be shot to death for being enemy combatants who are out of uniform.

B. Mr. Bush did not start a brand new war, but went to war and removed a cease fire in place since 1991.

Now why the hell are you trying to start a flame war here Damo1977?

-S

Amen brother, couldn't have said it better.

Under the Geneva Convention, enemy combatants IN SAID UNIFORM AND OF A SOVEREIGN NATION have rights. ENEMEY COMBATS WITOUT A UNIFORM ARE CONSIDERED SPIES, and can therefore be shot without question.

But, beyond that.... Iraq prison camp: Under Saddam, you are raped, beaten, tortured, and killed. At Gitmo, you get religious tolerance, 3 squares a day, and a relatively cozy life. Hmmmm..................... who should be charged with war crimes, that's a tough one, ya know?

[August]

Originally Posted by Damo1977

I think thank you August,

the reason why it took so long was I tried to word it properly, without making it seem offensive which I have done in the past , but alas I seemed to have failed again, plus I was having tea.

It is meant to be a question, not a statement, and definetely not a vindictive anti-American post....I just like seeing what are views from around the world, is that a crime?

But at this current rate of anti-Damo abuse I am starting to become anti-American Not really, whats that old saying,
"sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me"
:rotfl: Geez maybe some people should take notice of that old saying, or grow another layer of skin!

Your welcome, i think.

However, while i think it's unfair to mock someone on a forum for not replying quickly enough, you must realize that your intial post was very blunt and provocative, which i've found nearly always results in a negative reaction.

[Damo1977]

Originally Posted by August

Your welcome, i think.

However, while i think it's unfair to mock someone on a forum for not replying quickly enough, you must realize that your intial post was very blunt and provocative, which i've found nearly always results in a negative reaction.

No he was mocking me cause I took 3hrs to compose the intial post. but thank you all the same

Offensive? Not again , Well I was trying to be diplomatic, (I knew what I meant) yes I should have posted pros and cons, not just cons. Maybe thats what I need to do, change jobs and become a key figure in international diplomacy must make an edit

[Iceman]

August is your brain functioning properly? I was being sarcastic...the whole thread is retarded...No one in the world needed authority to invade Iraq all that was needed was the backbone...as was pointed out he was in failure to comply with U.N.resolutions for yrs...how long is someone supposed to wait?Whatever the excuse WMD..or little green men the whole post is ignorant....OR do those UN resolutions mean dodo..I think they mean squat cause obviously no one had any gump to do anything for yrs...you may continue in your ignorance August and Damo...

[Sea Demon]

Iceman,

Some people never learn. I have seen these types of threads on other boards and some folks only see the facts that fit their myopic agenda. This thread is obviously flame-bait. But when you see such glaring ignorance such as "should Bush be brought up on war crimes" or my personal favorite "Bush reminds me of Hitler" you just gotta respond.

And I notice Damo won't even answer me anymore. I take that as the ultimate compliment. Mission Accomplished.

Sea Demon

[Damo1977]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

And I notice Damo won't even answer me anymore. I take that as the ultimate compliment. Mission Accomplished.

Sea Demon

Did you call me anti-American socialist? No. So you didn't abuse me :P Unless you hiding something.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED :rotfl: biggest load of dung I have ever seen. Whats it been, about 2 years now since the sign was shown and things have spiralled out of control.

'Some people only see facts that fit their myopic agenda.'
Interesting, you say that. Than why don't you open your eyes and brain and read what I wrote.