This is a dedicated thread to list all the incorrect models - Page 4

kapuhy · 03-30-21, 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iambecomelife

I don't know who made it but it is a masterpiece.

-Inverse camber to the hull, instead of straight/blocky shape
-Lots of nice rigging
-Ventilators & cranes properly sized and sited
-Hull flags & lettering
-Crane booms in correct sea-going position
-Highly detailed deckhouses
-Plausible width/depth of hull for the time period

This is the kind of craftsmanship modders and game makers should strive for.

(...scribbling in his note pad)

And here's original for comparison:

Mister_M · 04-06-21, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kapuhy

(...scribbling in his note pad)

And here's original for comparison:

How did they camouflaged the stern gun ?

Anvar1061 · 04-06-21, 12:57 PM

shadow_wxh · 04-07-21, 06:19 AM

So this is the HSK Pinguin disgused as Greek freighter Kassos Not Bad. Going to include this in my shipyard.Who has a download link?

iambecomelife · 04-09-21, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadow_wxh

This is an example of poor quality ship produced based on not so good models.

PPLHansa=NDL Liner

There is no ship to match this one

The PPL ship still have a real ship that It resembles too. This one total nosense.There wont be any WWII ship even close match to this.I doubt there will be any modern ship this can match too either

It looks a little like the cruise ship "Oceanos" that sank in the 1990's but without the long forward superstructure. Kind of the same fat, streamlined look. Oceanos was French-built, 1953, so a few years after WWII's end.

shadow_wxh · 04-10-21, 11:52 AM

This guy here

MTS Oceanos

Maybe it was after this ship but the in and out is too great to give it a positive identification.Still a disqualified ship.

shadow_wxh · 04-10-21, 01:01 PM

There are two ship moddels declared to be Q-Ships in this forum:

One of them is
SCF = Small Costal Freighter

The othe one is
QSS=Small Q-Ship Merchant

I never able to 100% identifiy which ship these two were modelled after.Is it quite obvious these ship are there just for fun the author never declared they are after any real ships. But I put them here anyway so people can notice and in case someone wants to produce real model.Now let's see what are the real Q-ships loosk like.

HMS Looe

HMS Lambridge

HMS Prunella

HMS Cyprus

HMS Brutus

HMS Maunder

HMS Fidelity

HMS Antoine

HMS Chatsgrove

HMS Edgehill

USS Captor

USS Asterion

USS Carolyn

USS Big Horn

USS Irene Forsyte

USS Anacapa

As we can see here they all look different,only SFC marginally resembels USS Anacapa but they are not the same size. SFC is 78.5m long 2350ton weight, USS Anacapa is 102m long weights over 7000ton. There are a few thing we can summaries from these ship though:

Most of are medium size ships between 115~125m in lengh 4000~6000 in GRT
Most of them are old style KFK cargo ships plus a schooner a tanker and a few small ones
One of the empire ship standard type seems suited well as a Q-Ship model but as it is discussed in this thread before we have problem with that ship model too.

iambecomelife · 04-17-21, 04:03 PM

I've always been concerned about the QSS small merchant/small Q-Ship model - it looks like someone scaled it differently from other ships. There were certain optimal measurements for cargo ships of all sizes, and it just looks skinny and oddly-proportioned, with a strange shape to its decks.

In my opinion it should be easy to replace this model with a real Q-Ship, like HMS "Cape Howe" (AKA "Prunella") or HMS "Willamette Valley" (AKA "Edgehill").

https://uboat.net/allies/merchants/ship/394.html

https://uboat.net/allies/merchants/ship/373.html

"Willamette Valley"/ Edgehill was a good choice as a Q-Ship because she looked like many other merchants. The "Reardon Smith" company had a large fleet of freighters that looked like sisters or near-sisters to her - flush deck, low funnel, and panels enclosing the bridge wings.

"Cape Howe" / Prunella was also a pretty good choice with similar, generic looks - midships deckhouse, two masts, and 4000 - 5000 tons.

Unfortunately for the British, the Q-Ship concept was a total failure in WWII! Unlike WWI, many WWII U-Boats carried over 10 torpedoes, and submerged attacks without warning were more common....both these ships were sunk with many casualties.

The US, as you may know, had an even worse Q-Ship disaster, when the "Atik" was sunk with no survivors.

shadow_wxh · 04-18-21, 09:36 PM

I think both HMS Willamette Valley and HMS Cape Howe belongs to the British WWI Standard Type Merchant. I am still trying to classify how many type are there but not an easy thing to do.There are too many of them but not many have photograph or drawings.

iambecomelife · 04-18-21, 10:16 PM

HMS "Willamette Valley" was a different class from the standard WWI merchants. All those were reciprocating steamships. "Willamette Valley" was a motorship owned by Reardon Smith before being used as a Q-ship. She had a lot of near-sister motorships built in the 20's and 30's that worked for the same line.

If you look on uboat.net for British merchants with "City" in their names you can find some of these near sisters from Reardon Smith (Bradford City, & Vancouver City etc)...they usually have a short funnel with black "S" logo, low midships island, and square panels on the bridge wings. If I remember correctly there were about 10-15 of them in 1939.

A nice design, and in my opinion they deserve a detailed model.

shadow_wxh · 04-20-21, 01:38 PM

Just found info no this ship

NSC_SubChaser = Submariner Chaser

or
Whalechaser = Whalechaser

This is obviously modeled after Japanese No.13~63 SubChaser
Here are the real ships
No.14

No.15

No.37

and a painting

The details are close enough but the dimensions are too wrong.

Model Ship

Length 64.0m 51.0m

Width 5.4m 6.7m

Draft 2.2m 2.7m

The model is too long and skinny even it looks like the real ship this one is still tagged as wrong model.

04-06-21, 12:57 PM	#48
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04-10-21, 01:01 PM	#52
shadow_wxh Sparky Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 155 Downloads: 112 Uploads: 1	Model Incorrect Q-Ship There are two ship moddels declared to be Q-Ships in this forum: One of them is SCF = Small Costal Freighter The othe one is QSS=Small Q-Ship Merchant I never able to 100% identifiy which ship these two were modelled after.Is it quite obvious these ship are there just for fun the author never declared they are after any real ships. But I put them here anyway so people can notice and in case someone wants to produce real model.Now let's see what are the real Q-ships loosk like. HMS Looe HMS Lambridge HMS Prunella HMS Cyprus HMS Brutus HMS Maunder HMS Fidelity HMS Antoine HMS Chatsgrove HMS Edgehill USS Captor USS Asterion USS Carolyn USS Big Horn USS Irene Forsyte USS Anacapa As we can see here they all look different,only SFC marginally resembels USS Anacapa but they are not the same size. SFC is 78.5m long 2350ton weight, USS Anacapa is 102m long weights over 7000ton. There are a few thing we can summaries from these ship though: Most of are medium size ships between 115~125m in lengh 4000~6000 in GRT Most of them are old style KFK cargo ships plus a schooner a tanker and a few small ones One of the empire ship standard type seems suited well as a Q-Ship model but as it is discussed in this thread before we have problem with that ship model too. Last edited by shadow_wxh; 04-10-21 at 02:18 PM.

04-17-21, 04:03 PM	#53
iambecomelife Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4,706 Downloads: 300 Uploads: 0	I've always been concerned about the QSS small merchant/small Q-Ship model - it looks like someone scaled it differently from other ships. There were certain optimal measurements for cargo ships of all sizes, and it just looks skinny and oddly-proportioned, with a strange shape to its decks. In my opinion it should be easy to replace this model with a real Q-Ship, like HMS "Cape Howe" (AKA "Prunella") or HMS "Willamette Valley" (AKA "Edgehill"). https://uboat.net/allies/merchants/ship/394.html https://uboat.net/allies/merchants/ship/373.html "Willamette Valley"/ Edgehill was a good choice as a Q-Ship because she looked like many other merchants. The "Reardon Smith" company had a large fleet of freighters that looked like sisters or near-sisters to her - flush deck, low funnel, and panels enclosing the bridge wings. "Cape Howe" / Prunella was also a pretty good choice with similar, generic looks - midships deckhouse, two masts, and 4000 - 5000 tons. Unfortunately for the British, the Q-Ship concept was a total failure in WWII! Unlike WWI, many WWII U-Boats carried over 10 torpedoes, and submerged attacks without warning were more common....both these ships were sunk with many casualties. The US, as you may know, had an even worse Q-Ship disaster, when the "Atik" was sunk with no survivors. __________________ https://www.facebook.com/WolvesoftheKaiser/

04-18-21, 10:16 PM	#55
iambecomelife Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4,706 Downloads: 300 Uploads: 0	HMS "Willamette Valley" was a different class from the standard WWI merchants. All those were reciprocating steamships. "Willamette Valley" was a motorship owned by Reardon Smith before being used as a Q-ship. She had a lot of near-sister motorships built in the 20's and 30's that worked for the same line. If you look on uboat.net for British merchants with "City" in their names you can find some of these near sisters from Reardon Smith (Bradford City, & Vancouver City etc)...they usually have a short funnel with black "S" logo, low midships island, and square panels on the bridge wings. If I remember correctly there were about 10-15 of them in 1939. A nice design, and in my opinion they deserve a detailed model. __________________ https://www.facebook.com/WolvesoftheKaiser/

04-20-21, 01:38 PM	#56
shadow_wxh Sparky Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 155 Downloads: 112 Uploads: 1	Model Incorrect Japanese No.13 Subchaser Just found info no this ship NSC_SubChaser = Submariner Chaser or Whalechaser = Whalechaser This is obviously modeled after Japanese No.13~63 SubChaser Here are the real ships No.14 No.15 No.37 and a painting The details are close enough but the dimensions are too wrong. Model Ship Length 64.0m 51.0m Width 5.4m 6.7m Draft 2.2m 2.7m The model is too long and skinny even it looks like the real ship this one is still tagged as wrong model.

04-07-21, 06:19 AM	#49
shadow_wxh Sparky Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 155 Downloads: 112 Uploads: 1	So this is the HSK Pinguin disgused as Greek freighter Kassos Not Bad. Going to include this in my shipyard.Who has a download link?

04-10-21, 11:52 AM	#51
shadow_wxh Sparky Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 155 Downloads: 112 Uploads: 1	This guy here MTS Oceanos Maybe it was after this ship but the in and out is too great to give it a positive identification.Still a disqualified ship.

04-18-21, 09:36 PM	#54
shadow_wxh Sparky Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 155 Downloads: 112 Uploads: 1	I think both HMS Willamette Valley and HMS Cape Howe belongs to the British WWI Standard Type Merchant. I am still trying to classify how many type are there but not an easy thing to do.There are too many of them but not many have photograph or drawings.