Germanwings Airbus Crashed in France

Schroeder · 03-24-15, 06:15 AM

Not much is known yet but it doesn't look good: (Sorry for that source but it was the only English speaking site I found that had the story so far)
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...h-live-5390012

Oberon · 03-24-15, 06:19 AM

The Beeb is breaking it now:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32030270

Live page:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/32030778

FR24 information on the aircraft:
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/ai...-aipx/#5d42675

There are also reports that the aircraft put out a mayday signal at 09:47GMT and the weather in the area was not unusual, intermittant showers.

Pprune topic:
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/5...rn-france.html

Jimbuna · 03-24-15, 06:23 AM

Terribly tragic

BossMark · 03-24-15, 06:42 AM

Very sad news indeed.

CCIP · 03-24-15, 10:52 AM

Very sad and unfortunate indeed

Let's wait and see how the investigation plays out. So far, the most likely explanation is looking like sudden decompression, with crew becoming incapacitated after starting an emergency descent.

Oberon · 03-24-15, 12:42 PM

An FDR has been recovered so hopefully we should have answers fairly soon.
Tragically it looks as though some German exchange students were on board the flight.

GoldenRivet · 03-24-15, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP

Very sad and unfortunate indeed

Let's wait and see how the investigation plays out. So far, the most likely explanation is looking like sudden decompression, with crew becoming incapacitated after starting an emergency descent.

I dont see this as being the culrpit.

when decompression occurs, or the cabin pressurization light comes on, or there really is any indication that there is either a gradual or explosive decompression of the aircraft there are items that the flight crew will accomplish before doing anything else

1. Oxygen mask on (quick donning masks can go over an aviator's head and face in a matter of about 3 seconds)

2. Confirm flow

3. Establish communication with the other pilot

if these three things are done and you still pass out, God just had it in for you.

d@rk51d3 · 03-25-15, 09:03 PM

This is the media we're dealing with, after all.

HunterICX · 03-26-15, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by d@rk51d3

This is the media we're dealing with, after all.

Aye, speculations, speculations.....I just would wait till the report of the investigation comes out.
All this media ''noise'' isn't really helping to focus on the facts they already gathered and shared.

Oberon · 03-26-15, 07:07 AM

French investigators have gone for the co-pilot deliberately crashing the aircraft:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32063587

Whether it was suicide or terrorism is yet to be determined.
The co-pilots name has been released as Andreas Lubitz.
Now the witch-hunt shall commence, his family is not going to have a day of rest for months.

Jimbuna · 03-26-15, 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon

French investigators have gone for the co-pilot deliberately crashing the aircraft:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32063587

Whether it was suicide or terrorism is yet to be determined.
The co-pilots name has been released as Andreas Lubitz.
Now the witch-hunt shall commence, his family is not going to have a day of rest for months.

Whatever the reason this is a most worrying dynamic, the only plus (if you can excuse the term) is that it looks like the plane was not at fault mechanically etc. but that will be of zero comfort to those who have lost their loved ones.

Rockstar · 03-26-15, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon

French investigators have gone for the co-pilot deliberately crashing the aircraft:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32063587

Whether it was suicide or terrorism is yet to be determined.
The co-pilots name has been released as Andreas Lubitz.
Now the witch-hunt shall commence, his family is not going to have a day of rest for months.

Could be a passenger was the targeted for assassination as well. Only the Shadow knows.

Schroeder · 03-26-15, 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon

French investigators have gone for the co-pilot deliberately crashing the aircraft:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32063587

Whether it was suicide or terrorism is yet to be determined.
The co-pilots name has been released as Andreas Lubitz.
Now the witch-hunt shall commence, his family is not going to have a day of rest for months.

If that's true then I'm lost for words.

Oberon · 03-26-15, 08:19 AM

It could be one of four things really.

1) Terrorism - Not particularly likely as these sort of people tend to leave statements to be picked up after the incident, be it on a website or through mail or some such.
2) Murder/Suicide - The most likely, sadly, and it's not easy to find the evidence and reasoning for it. His life and communications are going to be poured over with a fine tooth comb, his family are going to face weeks, if not months of questioning from both authorities and the media.
3) Health issue - The second most likely, although it does not explain the locking himself into the cockpit. In regards to what kind of health issue would cause such a thing, I refer again to the Moorgate crash.
4) A combination of number 3 and an accidental locking of the door - Very unlikely, I don't know how cockpit doors work, whether it's possible to lock yourself out of the cockpit, I doubt it but if the pilot accidentally locked himself out and the co-pilot had a health problem then that could feasibly lead to a crash. However, it would have to be a combination of the two, and very unlikely.

Sadly, it does look very much like a murder/suicide, and there are no words that won't result in an infraction to describe the type of...thing...that would kill 149 innocent people just to end its own life.

03-24-15, 06:15 AM	#1
Schroeder Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Banana Republic of Germany Posts: 6,170 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	Germanwings Airbus Crashed in France Not much is known yet but it doesn't look good: (Sorry for that source but it was the only English speaking site I found that had the story so far) http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...h-live-5390012 __________________ Putting Germ back into Germany.

03-24-15, 06:23 AM	#3
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,525 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Terribly tragic __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

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BossMark Fleet Admiral Join Date: May 2011 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire Posts: 15,272 Downloads: 278 Uploads: 0	Very sad news indeed. __________________ Never trust the Tories look what Thatcher and Major did in the 80s and 90s and look what the wicked witch May is doing now doing now

03-24-15, 06:19 AM	#2
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	The Beeb is breaking it now: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32030270 Live page: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/32030778 FR24 information on the aircraft: http://www.flightradar24.com/data/ai...-aipx/#5d42675 There are also reports that the aircraft put out a mayday signal at 09:47GMT and the weather in the area was not unusual, intermittant showers. Pprune topic: http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/5...rn-france.html

03-24-15, 10:52 AM	#5
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Very sad and unfortunate indeed Let's wait and see how the investigation plays out. So far, the most likely explanation is looking like sudden decompression, with crew becoming incapacitated after starting an emergency descent. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

03-24-15, 12:42 PM	#6
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	An FDR has been recovered so hopefully we should have answers fairly soon. Tragically it looks as though some German exchange students were on board the flight.

03-25-15, 09:03 PM	#8
d@rk51d3 Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Posts: 1,951 Downloads: 207 Uploads: 0	This is the media we're dealing with, after all.

03-26-15, 07:07 AM	#10
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	French investigators have gone for the co-pilot deliberately crashing the aircraft: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32063587 Whether it was suicide or terrorism is yet to be determined. The co-pilots name has been released as Andreas Lubitz. Now the witch-hunt shall commence, his family is not going to have a day of rest for months.

03-26-15, 08:19 AM	#14
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	It could be one of four things really. 1) Terrorism - Not particularly likely as these sort of people tend to leave statements to be picked up after the incident, be it on a website or through mail or some such. 2) Murder/Suicide - The most likely, sadly, and it's not easy to find the evidence and reasoning for it. His life and communications are going to be poured over with a fine tooth comb, his family are going to face weeks, if not months of questioning from both authorities and the media. 3) Health issue - The second most likely, although it does not explain the locking himself into the cockpit. In regards to what kind of health issue would cause such a thing, I refer again to the Moorgate crash. 4) A combination of number 3 and an accidental locking of the door - Very unlikely, I don't know how cockpit doors work, whether it's possible to lock yourself out of the cockpit, I doubt it but if the pilot accidentally locked himself out and the co-pilot had a health problem then that could feasibly lead to a crash. However, it would have to be a combination of the two, and very unlikely. Sadly, it does look very much like a murder/suicide, and there are no words that won't result in an infraction to describe the type of...thing...that would kill 149 innocent people just to end its own life.