no more pullups for female US marines

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

I would want anyone who can maintain self control well enough to return fire.

Truth be told the ability to drag away a dead body is useless in direct combat why waste combat capacity to move a dead body?

In combat the first priority is to gain or maintain fire superiority harsh as this sounds that means that a wounded person is just going to have to wait until their comrades gain enough control of the situation such that it is possible to reach the injured person without risking further casualties.

As I said before the Viet Cong had many female combatants the VC was also expert at fading away and often leaving few bodies behind must have been the males doing all the work.What it really was is they lacked our silly beliefs.

Tome it has nothing to do with political correctness if a person can perform the tasks there should be noting baring them.

I truly mean nothing mean or mysogynistic, I simply believe minimal physical requirements are in place for a reason, and if little Miss, can barely hump her pack, how much will that slow down the unit?

I am sorry, pass the phsyical requirements men do, or drive a water truck.
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edit: I like girls in combat, they can play too. In Israel, they let them man (or women) tanks. I am down with that..

On foot, mixed infantry, I got a problem with.

[August]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

harsh as this sounds that means that a wounded person is just going to have to wait until their comrades gain enough control of the situation such that it is possible to reach the injured person without risking further casualties.

Fire superiority is not something permanent like a finish line once crossed ends the contest. Covering fire may only be effective for a few minutes. Do you seriously expect a wounded soldiers comrades to wait until the battle is over before attempting a rescue?

[August]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

I truly mean nothing mean or mysogynistic, I simply believe minimal physical requirements are in place for a reason, and if little Miss, can barely hump her pack, how much will that slow down the unit?

This ^

I just can't see many women being able to hump the loads these guys do on a regular basis.

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Just because a person has respect for women is irrelevant.I find it very hard to believe that any person if placed in a defensive situation where a female where attacking them would just do nothing because they "respect women".

I split fighting or brawling and self defense in two separate categories.A fight is an activity where all parties involved got into a physical altercation for a foolish reason.

Self defense is another ball game and one could meet one of the meaning of fight by using their hands and feet to defend themselves from another attacker.In such a situation to say that one would not fight a woman is pretty silly and would only get you robbed or hurt or what ever else the female attackers intent was.

Most people have not actually been in any serious fights either so thus far you are not an exception.People who find the need to fight often usually also often find the need to post bail.

Of course keep in mind that the rate of females being the assailant in violet crimes has sharply risen over the past decade so never assume just because someone is a woman that she is not dangerous.

Personally I will respect anyone so long as their actions warrant respect.

Self Defense...I can see where that situation could present itself.

I just don't like the idea of hitting women. Something I've never liked and something I won't ever get used to.

If and when a self defense situation presents itself, you better believe I'll self defend...doesn't always mean I have to like it I guess. It's moral decision or death in some cases.

However, I really wonder how many street thieves have the guts to actually kill somebody. I don't think that some person asking for my wallet would really actually stab me with that knife.

Depends on the situation I guess.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Red October1984

However, I really wonder how many street thieves have the guts to actually kill somebody. I don't think that some person asking for my wallet would really actually stab me with that knife.

Do you have any idea how many people have died due to that kind of thinking? No, most thieves, and most burglars, aren't there to kill, but some will, and knowing one from the other is not easy.

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Do you have any idea how many people have died due to that kind of thinking? No, most thieves, and most burglars, aren't there to kill, but some will, and knowing one from the other is not easy.

See....that's the thing. You can almost never know.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Red October1984

I don't think that some person asking for my wallet would really actually stab me with that knife. Depends on the situation I guess.

Assume otherwise! As in a previous post: in Central Park NY my trusty Colt's Trooper kept a mugger encounter cordial. The mugger's shock at seeing anyone armed in the big apple was genuine...but he moved on to easier pickings. Another state senator's son was killed outright in front of my post in SF. I and my nephews(one got mugged in DC) never carry cash in the wallet to begin with; that goes on a money clip to be a 'throwdown' to the bandit(a little more than $5.00) so he doesn't get pissed. This saves you the trouble of re-documenting everything from your driver license to your credit cards and/or your social security card (which shouldn't be in the wallet to begin with) but often is. It won't be a knife but a Sat. night special to the gut...and don't have an expensive 'William-Henry Money' clip either, just a cheapo and $20.00+- so the bad guy doesn't get pissed and off ya' for spite. Von C rule # 3: Never count on yer drug-crazed mugger doing what your plan calls for him to do...'cause he won't! In his mind you're thoroughly expendable and his needs are not! I'm 62 with one .380 in the thigh(shattered) and I never make the same mistake twice. Don't learn from your mistakes, learn from others...mine; it saves ya' energy, pain and misery.

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

Assume otherwise! As in a previous post: in Central Park NY my trusty Colt's Trooper kept a mugger encounter cordial. The mugger's shock at seeing anyone armed in the big apple was genuine...but he moved on to easier pickings. Another state senator's son was killed outright in front of my post in SF. I and my nephews(one got mugged in DC) never carry cash in the wallet to begin with; that goes on a money clip to be a 'throwdown' to the bandit(a little more than $5.00) so he doesn't get pissed. This saves you the trouble of re-documenting everything from your driver license to your credit cards and/or your social security card (which shouldn't be in the wallet to begin with) but often is. It won't be a knife but a Sat. night special to the gut...and don't have an expensive 'William-Henry Money' clip either, just a cheapo and $20.00+- so the bad guy doesn't get pissed and off ya' for spite. Von C rule # 3: Never count on yer drug-crazed mugger doing what your plan calls for him to do...'cause he won't! In his mind you're thoroughly expendable and his needs are not! I'm 62 with one .380 in the thigh(shattered) and I never make the same mistake twice. Don't learn from your mistakes, learn from others...mine; it saves ya' energy, pain and misery.

Fair enough.

That's why I say it depends on the situation I guess.

Actually understood that post. Achievement Unlocked.

[MH]

This ^

I just can't see many women being able to hump the loads these guys do on a regular basis.

Because most likely you never done it.
Those guys do this stuff for a reason but im sure they don't do it on regular basis certainly not when going into combat....and if they do the wight is reasonable.

Yes you need strong legs and back ....and you would feel like mule under strain doing it - where again mule like state of mind/stamina comes to play.
Something you acquire with time together with strong legs and resistant back regardless you being able to do three pull ups at first day of boot camp.

Normally you don't want to haul too much stuff for too long.
It can cause you to become cripple before seeing any combat in particular when having strong motivation and going on regardless of your body breaking apart.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by August

This ^

I just can't see many women being able to hump the loads these guys do on a regular basis.

^ YUP! Actually, pictures don't lie! This guy ain't exactly 'motivatin' at flank speed either and I've caddied(teens) two men's golf bags, 36 holes-60lbs+, and 100lb Duluth packs... with the canoe, portaging...in the MN/Canadian Quetico Wilderness in my time and still feel it and can relate. And the ladies kept up and then some! My question is: what is the view and situation in the Israeli and WWII Soviet military which actually have/had women in combat and don't seem to have issues...at all. Those Valkyrie, snipers and pilots, were feared by the NAZI 'supermen' and for good reason!

[Schroeder]

What also makes me wonder is, do they lower the limits in order to get politically correct or can't they fill their ranks otherwise?

[August]

Originally Posted by MH

Because most likely you never done it.

I've done my share of ruck marches MH. Maybe it's different for Israeli conscript but in the US Army during my day, 80lb packs plus weapon and ammo for a dozen or so miles was quite common. And yes many of us pay the price for it to this day.

[antikristuseke]

Ruck marches were "fun" but have very little to do with physical strength as such, I is more down to endurance, both mental and physical. But that is neither here or there really, as others have said, physical requiredments are there for a reason, you either exceed them or you are out.

[MH]

Originally Posted by August

I've done my share of ruck marches MH. Maybe it's different for Israeli conscript but in the US Army during my day, 80lb packs plus weapon and ammo for a dozen or so miles was quite common. And yes many of us pay the price for it to this day.

Cool then...
As said above it is very much about endurance and overall physical condition solder aquarius with time.
The marches for example may get progressively longer with time...if we are into this march issue.
I remember my first short one with some basic equipment , i thought i would die.

I dont say that physical test are not necessary regarding overall health yet getting dramatical about three pull ups is nonsense.

One thing is clear , women training should be approached bit differently ... consider that sometimes there may be number of ways to arrive at similar results.

If this is worthwhile for the military i don't know yet a lot of women believe that they can do it and should do it...so let stubborn ones have some.

Originally Posted by MH

One thing is clear , women training should be approached bit differently ...

No, it is not clear. As a former drill instructor, I completely disagree.

Every soldier has to pull through the same crap. Can't make it? Bummer, get back to your ki... last job then!