Free will. Free will?

[geetrue]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

This was meant to be a discussion about free will. You would rather use your time to proselyze and judge based on the Bible. That's fine, but do you have any opinion about free will? That is the topic, after all.

I am shocked that I have been accused of this, by the way you spelled the word wrong, you left out the t and the i. (proselyze is spelled proselytize)

Yes I have let my light shine on you, but I have not judged you to be found unworthy of redemption lol

Discernment is a better word ... I have discerned your needs

In the beginning was the Word and the word said, "Let there be light"

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by August

You're making a lot of assumptions here Steve.

I'm not making any assumptions at all. I'm merely asking questions, and pointing out that things aren't always as cut-and-dried as you seem to see them.

So you admit that free will exists even in a Hobsons choice.

From the very start I said that my opinion was the same as yours. I do indeed believe in free will. I also said that it's just opinion, and that there are many opinions on the subject and always have been. Where we disagree is that I believe my opinion to be no more valid (or invalid) than any other, whereas you seem to believe that your opinion is fact, and that's that.

It's mentioned repeatedly throughout your post. Just because you're limited by reality to choices you find objectionable doesn't mean you don't have a choice at all.

Maybe we should submit a thesis on the subject. "After thousands of years of debate, August says we absolutely have free will, and the discussion is henceforth closed."

I like discussing philosophy, and you apparently don't. I can accept that.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by geetrue

I am shocked that I have been accused of this, by the way you spelled the word wrong, you left out the t and the i. (proselyze is spelled proselytize)

Thank you. This is why, contrary to popular opinion, I don't go after people's spelling. I do it too.

That said, you did indeed not talk about free will at all, but chose rather to preach your faith.

Yes I have let my light shine on you, but I have not judged you to be found unworthy of redemption lol.

No, you expressed your belief. I'm still waiting for you to show any evidence that there is a God at all. You never answered that question since the last time you did this.

Discernment is a better word ... I have discerned your needs

You know nothing of my needs. I used to believe as you do, and found that belief lacking.

In the beginning was the Word and the word said, "Let there be light"

If you're going to quote the Bible, you should at least quote it correctly. You're wrongly combining two different scriptures, and then trying to show superiority with a smug intellectual smiley. All you're showing with that is ignorance.

[August]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Maybe we should submit a thesis on the subject. "After thousands of years of debate, August says we absolutely have free will, and the discussion is henceforth closed."

Do whatever you want Steve. Just use your imaginary free will and don't drive drunk this Sunday and we'll get along just fine.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by August

Do whatever you want Steve. Just use your imaginary free will and don't drive drunk this Sunday and we'll get along just fine.

Well, since I don't have a car and I'm allergic to alcohol, I don't think that's going to be a problem.