Texas leaving!?!

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Oberon

If that is the prevailing feeling then it would dovetail into the popular theory of the end of America and the rise of Asia. One of those self-fulfilling prophecies I think, a fear of decay leads to decay and destruction.

It's not the prevailing feeling. The internet has the effect of amplifying sentiment to make it appear that it is more widespread than it is. Remember two weeks ago when Romney was absolutely, no question, hands down going to win that election?

We're going to see aftershocks like this for a little while. Despite prosestations to the contrary, the right is throwing a temper tanturm just like the left did in 2000. Things will calm down soon enough.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by Hottentot

Read again the post I quoted.

I have read it,and came to the conclusion that there is "some things" that have gone wrong,

[Hottentot]

Originally Posted by Vendor

I have read it,and came to the conclusion that there is "some things" that have gone wrong,

We'd be idiots not to criticize our respective countries when criticism is due, but to call welfare states automatic failures (and thus these countries "failed") is absurd.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by Hottentot

We'd be idiots not to criticize our respective countries when criticism is due, but to call welfare states automatic failures (and thus these countries "failed") is absurd.

That's true

It's not the prevailing feeling. The internet has the effect of amplifying sentiment to make it appear that it is more widespread than it is. Remember two weeks ago when Romney was absolutely, no question, hands down going to win that election?

We're going to see aftershocks like this for a little while. Despite prosestations to the contrary, the right is throwing a temper tanturm just like the left did in 2000. Things will calm down soon enough.

Thats OK, the distraction of the run up to mid terms must be kicking in soon.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Hottentot

Unless it collapses completely and suddenly, it will still hold enough influence to have the rest of the world first see this as an internal matter and wait how it turns out.

As I said, the US itself would have to be the first to recognize the independence of Texas. My biggest worry is how that would affect the rest of the country. Back in 1812 several New England States discussed the possibility. It went nowhere, but it was serious.

But then, I don't see Texas suddenly joining up with China or Russia just because.

No. If Texas were to seceed it would be because they wanted true independence, not because they wanted to hook up with somebody even worse.

[geetrue]

Should Texas be allowed to secede from the union? By CNN's Jack Cafferty: Texas Gov. Rick Perry does not support a petition for the Lone Star State to secede from the union. But a lot of people do. The online petition asking the federal government to allow Texas to withdraw from the U.S. following...

This a fringe move not an official move ...

If the state of Texas wanted to do this all they would have to do is vote with the elected officials they already have.

When Texas joined the union, (way before I was born lol) they reserved the right to split into five states if they so wanted to at a later date.

Texas is a republic in the same way that the USA is ... it's elcted official make these decisions and the people chose the officials.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by geetrue

This a fringe move not an official move ...

If the state of Texas wanted to do this all they would have to do is vote with the elected officials they already have.

When Texas joined the union, (way before I was born lol) they reserved the right to split into five states if they so wanted to at a later date.

Texas is a republic in the same way that the USA is ... it's elcted official make these decisions and the people chose the officials.

All five individually would still be larger than the UK

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Hottentot

Agreed. I don't see a war coming either, but neither do I believe that the rest of the nations are all just going to say: "Oh, you don't want to play with your former nation anymore? Cool, welcome to the playground." Especially in the case of the United States. Unless it collapses completely and suddenly, it will still hold enough influence to have the rest of the world first see this as an internal matter and wait how it turns out.

Yeah, there's not much chance Texas would/could really secede. First, you would have to get a large and clear majority of Texans to agree fervently for independence. And Texas is brimming with people who are recently from somewhere else. These new "Texans" are fine people, but they brought their own way of seeing things with them, from where the regions they vacated, and as hard as it is to believe, I know some of them think "let's leave State X and go to Texas because it has jobs/opportunity/cheap houses/lots of land/great bbq/ etc. but let's change Texas to be more like State X. Right, thanks a lot. Texas, love it or leave Don't change it.

And if we did agree for Independence, you would have to contend with the recent Mexican population wanting to take Texas back for themselves, as part of Mexico. And believe me, you talk to some (a lot) Mexicans, that's exactly what they have in mind.

But, if 80% of Texans wanted to break free of the US, the people in the US would have to agree, and even though many Americans don't have much good to say about us, they are not willing to let us go. Which makes no sense to me at all. If California wanted to split off, I would say more power to them, and wish them good luck.

Now, in 20 years, the way society is headed, there's a real chance Texas could secede, if Texans wanted to, and that would be to deploy a Ghandi/Martin Luther King strategy of peaceful resistance. I could see it happening under those conditions. Hey, 30 years ago who could imagine homosexuals publicly clamoring for the right of marriage, and most people supporting it?

[Red Brow]

25,000 or even 400,000 isn't enough to do squat. This reminds me of all those "people's courts" set up in the early 90s by so-called patriots. They sold a lot of books and made a lot of noise - they threatened to arrest the big kahunas of The Powers That Be. Of course in the end only people of the 'people's court' ended up being arrested. Even if 400,000 people from 10 states signed up, what would you have? Less people than live in Colorado Springs.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by geetrue

When Texas joined the union, (way before I was born lol) they reserved the right to split into five states if they so wanted to at a later date.

True, but only up to a point. The Texas Resolution gave the United States the right to divide the area and create four more states, with the approval of Texas. Texas did not "reserve the right". They had the right to refuse to let the US divide them, but they did not have the right to divide themselves. It had to be mutual.

On another note, I find it funny that one of the complaints is over the National Debt. Part of Texas becoming a state in the first place had to do with the Federal Government absorbing Texas's huge debt, which was dragging the State under at the time.

[Onkel Neal]

That's correct.

Lol, lot of great articles about this popping up

Go ahead and secede, Texas. We dare you! This from a guy in Arizona.

"In the last decade of the Great Recession, Texas has expanded by more than one million jobs, more than all other states combined," Smiley told me in an email. "And fully 95 percent of the country receives its oil and gas courtesy of pipelines that originate within Texas. That is what one might call leverage."

This from a guy in Arizona.

Thats good
Sound like a Texan secessionist's dream? Well, it's no dream. This country already exists. It's called the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

[Oberon]

Nice twist at the end of that article Neal.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Nice twist at the end of that article Neal.