Hillary Clinton takes responsibility for Libya US deaths

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by August

No, i'd feel the same way regardless of their politics. He only objects because she's a Democrat. If she were a Republican he'd be calling for her head on a plate.

The question remains: Hillary said she "took full responsibility" for their deaths. Well is that it? Just "oops my bad" with no consequences at all? Oliver North at least lost his job and was put on trial over Iran-Contra and rightly so.

Hillary doesn't even get a reprimand for admitting responsibility in the deaths of four people and it's us who are being "one-sided and partisan"?

What August said. If she's gunna fall on the sword, here's the sword, start fallin'. What do they do with/to commanders that loose troops due to leadership incompetence? (Don't say promote them)

Tribesman, what could be done? Ok, she takes responsibility and walks away. It does not add up.

AVG
Few things do add up in life even fewer add up in politics, which is why people need to aim for consistancy in their opinions.

He's not currently in power, so who cares.

Mcbee
If you don't care about what secratary of state does when in office then you can't care what the secratary of state does in office which means you can't complain about it

But I think there are thousands of points in the world at large where a hit on a diplomat could have been made.

Joe.
But wasn't that the point of the planned increase in funding which got blocked.

The question remains: Hillary said she "took full responsibility" for their deaths. Well is that it? Just "oops my bad" with no consequences at all? Oliver North at least lost his job and was put on trial over Iran-Contra and rightly so.

The equivalent to North would be if Hillary sacked some personal assistant from her office and let them carry the can.

Hillary doesn't even get a reprimand for admitting responsibility in the deaths of four people and it's us who are being "one-sided and partisan"?

What is the process for issuing a reprimand to the secretary of state?

Also conveniently ignored by the partisan attack dogs is that Chris Stevens died of smoke inhalation from a fire started by a rocket attack. Having an increased security detail wouldn't have prevented that.

Mookie, given the long running complaints they had about the involvement in Libya I wonder how much louder they would have barked if more Marines had been sent to the country?
Come to think of it isn't it the same crowd who were cheering for Iraq but opposing Libya and now saying they will go for Syria if elected.
2 actions that were not thought through and one potential one, and the only difference in "thought" on it for those people is donkey or elephant

[August]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Not for calling them on it, but for calling only them on it.

Well if Romneys Sec of State takes responsibility for a similar incident (God forbid it happens) then consider this as a preemptive call out.

[Sailor Steve]

Fair enough. I'll hold you (and McBee) to it. But I won't count on hearing it from Rush or Glenn.

On the other hand of course Hillary's own side is defending her, or at least trying to whitewash it.

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Also conveniently ignored by the partisan attack dogs is that Chris Stevens died of smoke inhalation from a fire started by a rocket attack. Having an increased security detail wouldn't have prevented that.

And how would you know?

Security details are a lot more than just a few armed guards manning the walls. Perhaps they would have prevented the rocket from being fired. Perhaps they would have had enough people to fight the fire or move the ambassador and his party out of danger before it got to that point.

Sounds to me like you're just making lame and partisan excuses for what is obviously a huge security gaffe just because it's your side that's responsible.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Fair enough. I'll hold you (and McBee) to it. But I won't count on hearing it from Rush or Glenn.

On the other hand of course Hillary's own side is defending her, or at least trying to whitewash it.

I don't think we're on the same page. Partisanship has nothing to do with this. HRC took responsibility for it, so she needs to pay the bill. Obama needs to fire her butt, or give her a broom and a dustpan and ship her to Libya to clean up the mess.

[nikimcbee]

...either that or don't take responsibility for it.

[nikimcbee]

Mcbee
If you don't care about what secratary of state does when in office then you can't care what the secratary of state does in office which means you can't complain about it

Thanks for mis-quoting me. I care what the current SoS does, as they can be held accountable. It doesn't matter what a SoS did 40 years ago, 60 years ago, 154 years ago, because there's nothing they can do about it now.

Thanks for mis-quoting me.

I quoted your post word for word, it is called quoting.
If you didn't write it exactly as it was written then inform the forum admins that your account has been hacked

I care what the current SoS does, as they can be held accountable. It doesn't matter what a SoS did 40 years ago, 60 years ago, 154 years ago, because there's nothing they can do about it now.

The system works like it always has, the current secretary is being held equally as accountable as the others were.
The Kissinger example simply highlights how you didn't think your post through.
If you want a more recent example in another vein are you going to call for Powell to hand over his pension to dead peoples families because of events when he was in office?

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Partisanship has nothing to do with this.

Then why do you invariably take the same side on all political issues?

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Then why do you invariably take the same side on all political issues?

So you're saying I'm consistant then?

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

I quoted your post word for word, it is called quoting.
If you didn't write it exactly as it was written then inform the forum admins that your account has been hacked


The system works like it always has, the current secretary is being held equally as accountable as the others were.
The Kissinger example simply highlights how you didn't think your post through.
If you want a more recent example in another vein are you going to call for Powell to hand over his pension to dead peoples families because of events when he was in office?

Did Powell admit responsibility for somebodies death? Please post confession.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

I think she should forfeit her Sec of State pension and benefits and give it to the families.

Mcbee
If you don't care about what secratary of state does when in office then you can't care what the secratary of state does in office which means you can't complain about it

Looks word for word to me.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

So you're saying I'm consistant then?

Always a silver lining. Jason, I loves ya!

Did Powell admit responsibility for somebodies death? Please post confession.

Yes thousands of them, it was as he put it the blot in his long career.
Though of course his succesor avoided being called to task for her responsiblity by claiming executive privilige.
Were you up in arms then demanding they lose their pensions?
There is still time for you to call them out over it.

Looks word for word to me.

So when you are on a failing streak you resort to lying.
Perhaps you should enter politics.

Word for word just to make it plain for all to see that you are lying.

He's not currently in power, so who cares.

He's not currently in power, so who cares.

just to be sure I will again quote every word you wrote in the post I quoted.

He's not currently in power, so who cares.

Damn you were right, I made it up and it wasn't you who was quoted

Congratulations on sinking to such a level, you can now qualify for political office for either the elephants or the donkeys due to your willingness to plainly lie when things are not going in the direction you want.