U.S. Presidential Debates & Election

[19Herr_Rapp86]

I didn't say he was protecting his career. I said he's committing political suicide over Benghazi. And I, along with everyone else who has posted about it, wants to know, too. The point I have been making the whole time is there is more going on than we, the average Americans, know about. Sure, we want, if not, demand answers as to why 4 Americans are dead, why we've lost the first Ambassador since 1972 (I think), why the response was told to stand down. Something caused, obviously something major, that reaction from the Administration.

[CaptainHaplo]

Libya is killing this president. The economy is killing him. Everything is falling down around his ears - every poll has him either tied with or losing to Romney - and independents are breaking hard Romney while voter energy is also for Romney.

His days in office are coming to a close.

With regards to Libya - you can bet that Romney will open up a can of worms by using the Executive office to push for real "openness" into the matter. In a partisan way? Time will tell.

Fast and Furious however is going to be a major thing. Romney will rescind the Executive Privilege claim, and expect him to actually KEEP Holder on to make him resign in disgrace over it or be held accountableafter going before Congress again - with all the records laid out. I don't think I agree with that - its entirely partisan and its petty. Personally I think a completed investigation will result in criminal charges for those responsible, and then let it be. It should not be a "witch hunt".

[Buddahaid]

No not all polls have Obama losing. The polls are all over the map and not even worth looking at.

[mookiemookie]

I'm not sure what Haplo's smoking, but it sounds awesome.

Looks to me like Obama's got the edge in the battleground states:

I didn't say he was protecting his career. I said he's committing political suicide over Benghazi. And I, along with everyone else who has posted about it, wants to know, too. The point I have been making the whole time is there is more going on than we, the average Americans, know about. Sure, we want, if not, demand answers as to why 4 Americans are dead, why we've lost the first Ambassador since 1972 (I think), why the response was told to stand down. Something caused, obviously something major, that reaction from the Administration.

Could it be in relation to the activities in the adjoining facilities in Benghazi? Or could we take Augusts insistance that there was no secret dope surrounding US intelligence facilities in a nation that is still in the midst of a civil war ?
Why oh why won't the President put all information in the public domain? Its not like the CIA do classified stuff is it or that the west is still trying to work out which of the ever splitting factions in Libya it can sort of work with.

[19Herr_Rapp86]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Could it be in relation to the activities in the adjoining facilities in Benghazi? Or could we take Augusts insistance that there was no secret dope surrounding US intelligence facilities in a nation that is still in the midst of a civil war ?
Why oh why won't the President put all information in the public domain? Its not like the CIA do classified stuff is it or that the west is still trying to work out which of the ever splitting factions in Libya it can sort of work with.

That's the point I'm trying to make. We don't know the whole story behind the attack. As Americans, of course we want answers, but want in one hand.... You know the rest. More happened there than what we will ever know about, and I think its foolish to blame the President. We're all arm chair presidents, but I guarantee there is more to that job than meets the eye.

That's the point I'm trying to make.

I know, that is why it was written how it was written.
In a similar vein with the same sort of theme there were lots of questions raised over the water when 2 soldiers from the Royal Signals were murdered by a mob up in the six counties.
Why didn't they have more protection? why didn't the other troops and police intervene? what the hell were they doing in that location at that time in that situation?
Some of those answers did come out years later and others will be answered in several decades when the security classification changes.
Thats just the way things work.

[19Herr_Rapp86]

And I believe what you just said there. We'll get some answers in time. Not sure how long America waits before classified information is released to the public. But it will be awhile. After congressional hearings and some commissions report, etc.

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[August]

Originally Posted by 19Herr_Rapp86

And I believe what you just said there. We'll get some answers in time. Not sure how long America waits before classified information is released to the public. But it will be awhile. After congressional hearings and some commissions report, etc.

"It's classified"

What a wonderful excuse for evading the consequences of everything from incompetence to outright treason.

But where it fails in this case is that Americans have died. No secret reason in the world justifies deliberately putting American civilians in mortal danger then ignoring their pleas for help as they are murdered. Neither would it justify trying to sell this tragedy off as merely spontaneous and unexpected demonstration of Muslim outrage against some unpublished movie that nobody ever heard of instead of the planned Al Quaeda operation it turned out to be.

But again Benghazi isn't the only time this administration has resorted to lying to avoid taking responsibility for their foul ups (at least i hope it was a foul up instead of something more sinister).

This administration deliberately allowed the sale of over 2000 modern firearms to the Mexican drug cartels and one of them was used to murder border agent Brian Terry. Others have been used in crimes on both sides of the border as well as kill an estimated 150 Mexican civilians.

To date nobody has been called to account for this abomination except for a few low ranking patseys who have been forced to resign. You can't claim the "it's classified" excuse for that. High ranking heads should be rolling over this screwup, and would have been in any previous administration, yet the Attorney General is being given a pass because, believe it nor not, "he didn't know about the operation". A huge sting operation involving foreign nationals and the AG didn't know? Well to me that's a stunning admission of incompetence and reason alone for his resignation yet Obama continues to protect him and stonewall the Congressional investigation for obviously political reasons.

This administration is as rotten as any we've ever had and it's high time to send them packing. I'm just not willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on Benghazi given what I've seen for the past three years.

[19Herr_Rapp86]

Originally Posted by August

This administration deliberately allowed the sale of over 2000 modern firearms to the Mexican drug cartels and one of them was used to murder border agent Brian Terry. Others have been used in crimes on both sides of the border as well as kill an estimated 150 Mexican civilians.

To date nobody has been called to account for this abomination except for a few low ranking patseys who have been forced to resign. You can't claim the "it's classified" excuse for that. High ranking heads should be rolling over this screwup, and would have been in any previous administration, yet the Attorney General is being given a pass because, believe it nor not, "he didn't know about the operation". A huge sting operation involving foreign nationals and the AG didn't know? Well to me that's a stunning admission of incompetence and reason alone for his resignation yet Obama continues to protect him and stonewall the Congressional investigation for obviously political reasons.

This administration is as rotten as any we've ever had and it's high time to send them packing. I'm just not willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on Benghazi given what I've seen for the past three years.

I'm going to guess that you are a staunch republican. Your comment sounds familiar. I've heard this before. Oh, that's right. I remember now. The Iran-Contra scandal of 1986 during the Reagan Administration. It actually lasted from 1985 to 1987 and involved the sale of modern (for that time) weapons to Iran in exchange for the release of hostages, and those sales would fund the Nicaraguan Contras. Of course, Reagan denied any knowledge of it and the Tower Commission found no evidence of involvement. "A huge sting operation involving foreign nationals and the President didn't know?" Don't go telling me that heads would be rolling in any other administration

[August]

Originally Posted by 19Herr_Rapp86

I'm going to guess that you are a staunch republican. Your comment sounds familiar. I've heard this before. Oh, that's right. I remember now. The Iran-Contra scandal of 1986 during the Reagan Administration. It actually lasted from 1985 to 1987 and involved the sale of modern (for that time) weapons to Iran in exchange for the release of hostages, and those sales would fund the Nicaraguan Contras. Of course, Reagan denied any knowledge of it and the Tower Commission found no evidence of involvement. "A huge sting operation involving foreign nationals and the President didn't know?" Don't go telling me that heads would be rolling in any other administration

No, I'm a staunch Independent. I've never voted in a primary and never registered for any party, except one year I registered for the Cool Moose party, a local Rhode Island party with just one candidate running for Lt. Governor on the platform that he'd abolish the position if elected. Other than that I vote for the person, not the party. I guess I did in that instance as well. I have voted for Democrats, Republicans and Independents.

As for the Iran Contra you have that wrong too. I was in the Army when those animals took our people hostage and I watched in frustration as our weakling president first dithered then got some of my comrades killed by ordering a rescue operation without the proper preparation and planning.

The thought of any subsequent administration dealing with those people, giving them weapons even, turns my stomach to this day. At very least Reagan should have fired the CIA director and Chairman of the JCS and done it long before the story became public.

[19Herr_Rapp86]

I have that wrong? You sure about that? Pretty sure I've got all the facts straight on that one.

[August]

Originally Posted by 19Herr_Rapp86

I have that wrong? You sure about that? Pretty sure I've got all the facts straight on that one.

Are you asking me if I am lying to you?

[19Herr_Rapp86]

Originally Posted by August

I watched in frustration as our weakling president first dithered then got some of my comrades killed by ordering a rescue operation without the proper preparation and planning.

You come off to me as the type of person that would say the same thing if the Bin Laden raid went badly. But I'm willing to bet you were celebrating with the rest of us. Oohrah when it works. Hang CINC high if it doesn't.