"Truthers", 9/11 and Operation Northwoods

Catfish · 06-01-12, 06:03 AM

So people who criticize and want to know what the truth is are laughed at - i also did.
I have watched some documentaries and did not believe most, and now watched this:

Technical details, also explanations why we see what we see, and what is missing. Of course I do not believe that NO plane crashed into the towers ..

Statement from Jowenko, Jowenko Explosieve Demolitie BV, when they show him the video of collapsing building Nr. 3:
"Does the top go first ?"
"No, the bottom. It starts on the bottom. yeah. They simply blew up columns and the rest caved in.
- yes you see the bottom floors go first ... and the rest implodes.
That is controlled demolition .. absolutely. .. there were explosives at the crucial points ...
it's a hired job, done by a team of experts. Thermite is the word."
"This video was recorded at 9/11"
"That can't be."
"Seven hours after the WTC"
"Really ? ... Then they worked hard."

And another detail: Operation Northwoods
1952: Published under the "Freedom of information act": Plan to take a civilian aircraft, replace it with a drone, shoot it down, and
"... proposed launching a secret and bloody war of terrorism against their own country in order to trick the American public into supporting an ill-conceived war they intended to launch against Cuba."
(Original text and comments):
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...orthwoods.html

Sounds familiar ? Operation Gladio ? State terrorism ?

This is only one argument in an endless chain of lies, cover ups and deception. Indeed this film (b.t.w. backed up by explosives specialists (this concrete powder everywhere) from Denmark at other places) makes the official statement look like the proverbial conspiracy theory.

I guess i have become a "truther"

You may now laugh at me - but watch the video if time permits.

Skybird · 06-01-12, 06:30 AM

I don'T know whether these conspiration claims are right or wrong. I don't think they are, but I cannot rule out that they maybe hold some truth nevertheless.

But what I always have said is this: Bush was openly ridiculed by his own people, his respectability was at a complete low, already his inauguration started with a demonstration of how low respect for him was, hjust remember how his car helplessly waited for around a quarter of an hour in the rain when they realised the demonstrations ahead and did not know whether to proceed or not.

9/11 was the best thing that has happened to him in his whole presidency. It saved him and tremendously helped in reelection (which was, that is fair to say, at least in massive doubt), it minimised resistence to Wolfowitz 10+ years old plan to attack Iraq although the strike was prepared and launched from Saudi Arabians staged in Afghanistan, allowed long-wanted limitations of freedom and civil liberties, and enabled Bush to act strong on the only "quality" that he really had: to act pathetically, to make pathetic adresses, and by playing strong the pathos chord pull sympathy of the wide public back on his side.

9/11 was the best thing that could have happened to the Bush adminsitration at that time.

So yes, they would have had a motive, a terribly strong motive. Which is no evidence, to make that also clear, that they did it. They benefitted from the crime - only this is certain.

06-01-12, 10:55 AM

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You may now laugh at me

Thank you

Herr-Berbunch · 06-01-12, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Thank you

Like you needed telling.

August · 06-01-12, 11:27 AM

That's funny because *I* heard that 9-11 was actually orchestrated by Germans in a bid to destabilize the US and prevent us from stopping the reemergence of the nazi regime.

It didn't work...

flatsixes · 06-01-12, 11:32 AM

I lost some friends on that day. In those buildings.
Please stop with this crap.
Thanks.

gimpy117 · 06-02-12, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

I don'T know whether these conspiration claims are right or wrong. I don't think they are, but I cannot rule out that they maybe hold some truth nevertheless.

But what I always have said is this: Bush was openly ridiculed by his own people, his respectability was at a complete low, already his inauguration started with a demonstration of how low respect for him was, hjust remember how his car helplessly waited for around a quarter of an hour in the rain when they realised the demonstrations ahead and did not know whether to proceed or not.

9/11 was the best thing that has happened to him in his whole presidency. It saved him and tremendously helped in reelection (which was, that is fair to say, at least in massive doubt), it minimised resistence to Wolfowitz 10+ years old plan to attack Iraq although the strike was prepared and launched from Saudi Arabians staged in Afghanistan, allowed long-wanted limitations of freedom and civil liberties, and enabled Bush to act strong on the only "quality" that he really had: to act pathetically, to make pathetic adresses, and by playing strong the pathos chord pull sympathy of the wide public back on his side.

9/11 was the best thing that could have happened to the Bush adminsitration at that time.

So yes, they would have had a motive, a terribly strong motive. Which is no evidence, to make that also clear, that they did it. They benefitted from the crime - only this is certain.

I think you hit the nail just about on the head. 911 wasn't an inside job, but it was an opportunity for the bush administration (one that had obviously just botched the whole role of national security and allowed it to happen) to cash in on the tragic deaths of Americans on that day. They used it as a PR fiesta. The wold was sympathetic to our plight, american people were united...and what did they do? Get us into 2 pointless wars for no really good reason.

Yep, they pretty much cashed in and tried to ride that gravy train to 2008. and they really almost did

August · 06-02-12, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by gimpy117

I think you hit the nail just about on the head. 911 wasn't an inside job, but it was an opportunity for the bush administration (one that had obviously just botched the whole role of national security and allowed it to happen) to cash in on the tragic deaths of Americans on that day. They used it as a PR fiesta. The wold was sympathetic to our plight, american people were united...and what did they do? Get us into 2 pointless wars for no really good reason.

Yep, they pretty much cashed in and tried to ride that gravy train to 2008. and they really almost did

You Democrats just won't accept responsibility for anything you did now will you?

Why don;t you man up a little?

Bush was in office for nine months before 9-11 that's hardly time to get settled in, especially after 8 years of Democratic foreign policy mismanagement. The intelligence and political failures that led to 9-11 and the two subsequent happened long before he ever took office.

kraznyi_oktjabr · 06-02-12, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by August

You Democrats just won't accept responsibility for anything you did now will you?

Why don;t you man up a little?

Bush was in office for nine months before 9-11 that's hardly time to get settled in, especially after 8 years of Democratic foreign policy mismanagement. The intelligence and political failures that led to 9-11 and the two subsequent happened long before he ever took office.

Could you elaborate to foreigner what you mean with those "intelligence and political failures"?

06-02-12, 12:17 PM

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Could you elaborate to foreigner what you mean with those "intelligence and political failures"?

He means the decision to invade Iraq was down to the democrats and their made up intelligence which they sent Powell to the UN with, and then it was the democrats who went ahead with their pushing on plan after the UN said "meh" and the french said "thats made up bollox not intelligence".
Get with the program kraznji and man up, the 2 wars after 9/11 are down to the democrats especially the one that had absolutely nothing to do with anything remotely connected to 9/11

August · 06-02-12, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

Could you elaborate to foreigner what you mean with those "intelligence and political failures"?

There are many, they are bipartisan and they go back to the 1970's. To blame either side is hypocrisy.

06-01-12, 06:03 AM	#1
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,767 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	"Truthers", 9/11 and Operation Northwoods So people who criticize and want to know what the truth is are laughed at - i also did. I have watched some documentaries and did not believe most, and now watched this: Technical details, also explanations why we see what we see, and what is missing. Of course I do not believe that NO plane crashed into the towers .. Statement from Jowenko, Jowenko Explosieve Demolitie BV, when they show him the video of collapsing building Nr. 3: "Does the top go first ?" "No, the bottom. It starts on the bottom. yeah. They simply blew up columns and the rest caved in. - yes you see the bottom floors go first ... and the rest implodes. That is controlled demolition .. absolutely. .. there were explosives at the crucial points ... it's a hired job, done by a team of experts. Thermite is the word." "This video was recorded at 9/11" "That can't be." "Seven hours after the WTC" "Really ? ... Then they worked hard." And another detail: Operation Northwoods 1952: Published under the "Freedom of information act": Plan to take a civilian aircraft, replace it with a drone, shoot it down, and "... proposed launching a secret and bloody war of terrorism against their own country in order to trick the American public into supporting an ill-conceived war they intended to launch against Cuba." (Original text and comments): http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...orthwoods.html Sounds familiar ? Operation Gladio ? State terrorism ? This is only one argument in an endless chain of lies, cover ups and deception. Indeed this film (b.t.w. backed up by explosives specialists (this concrete powder everywhere) from Denmark at other places) makes the official statement look like the proverbial conspiracy theory. I guess i have become a "truther" You may now laugh at me - but watch the video if time permits. Last edited by Catfish; 06-01-12 at 06:57 AM.

06-01-12, 06:30 AM	#2
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,636 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I don'T know whether these conspiration claims are right or wrong. I don't think they are, but I cannot rule out that they maybe hold some truth nevertheless. But what I always have said is this: Bush was openly ridiculed by his own people, his respectability was at a complete low, already his inauguration started with a demonstration of how low respect for him was, hjust remember how his car helplessly waited for around a quarter of an hour in the rain when they realised the demonstrations ahead and did not know whether to proceed or not. 9/11 was the best thing that has happened to him in his whole presidency. It saved him and tremendously helped in reelection (which was, that is fair to say, at least in massive doubt), it minimised resistence to Wolfowitz 10+ years old plan to attack Iraq although the strike was prepared and launched from Saudi Arabians staged in Afghanistan, allowed long-wanted limitations of freedom and civil liberties, and enabled Bush to act strong on the only "quality" that he really had: to act pathetically, to make pathetic adresses, and by playing strong the pathos chord pull sympathy of the wide public back on his side. 9/11 was the best thing that could have happened to the Bush adminsitration at that time. So yes, they would have had a motive, a terribly strong motive. Which is no evidence, to make that also clear, that they did it. They benefitted from the crime - only this is certain. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-01-12, 11:27 AM	#5
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,199 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	That's funny because I heard that 9-11 was actually orchestrated by Germans in a bid to destabilize the US and prevent us from stopping the reemergence of the nazi regime. It didn't work... __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

06-01-12, 11:32 AM	#6
flatsixes Weps Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 362 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	I lost some friends on that day. In those buildings. Please stop with this crap. Thanks.