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MH · 01-22-12, 12:31 PM

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People often vote for generally liked figures while media creates or destroy the image.

Sailor Steve · 01-22-12, 12:35 PM

This whole 'Newt vs Bill' thing sounds to me like special pleading from the hard right. "Lying, cheating, adultery and immorality are fine as long as it's our guy that's doing it." I find this game especially odd coming from people claiming to be devout Christians, who are supposed to be part of a Kingdom, and not a worldly government.

The whole Monica thing was a blatant attempt by Republicans to get Clinton, just as the whole Ollie thing was a blatant attempt by Democrats to get Reagan. Deny it all you want, you're playing partisan politics, and you're part of what's wrong with this country.

Morality, for me anyway, isn't a part of why I support or don't support a candidate. I didn't like Clinton for my own reasons. Monica wasn't one of them. The people who slam Clinton for his "perjury" already hated him long before that, and were looking for a reason, just as the people who hate Bush for Iraq already hated him and were looking for a reason. I'm not talking about people like me, who disagreed with the decision but supported it because I didn't have all the facts. Now that more facts are in, I still disagree, but it wasn't my decision to make. I'm talking about the people who actively hate the person, calling him names and condemning him every chance they get.

Gingrich is a hypocrite, pure and simple. If that doesn't bother you then admit it and still support him. Just don't try to tell the rest of us that there is a difference between the adulterer you like and the adulterer you hate.

CaptainHaplo · 01-22-12, 03:53 PM

Steve,

I don't hate Clinton. Actually, he wasn't that bad of a president. I actually would put him better than Bush 1 at the least. I don't have an issue with the adultery with Clinton. That is between him and his wife and his maker - not any of my business.

My issue with Clinton was always the perjury issue. Getting on national TV and lying to the American people. Those I think were unacceptable behavior from our President.

Newt didn't lie to the American people about it. He lied to his wife - and that is between him and her. When you lie to US the people, its between you and US the people. If you can't see the difference, then so be it.

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Gingrich is a hypocrite, pure and simple. If that doesn't bother you then admit it and still support him. Just don't try to tell the rest of us that there is a difference between the adulterer you like and the adulterer you hate.

He may be a hypocrite in your view, but that is a matter of opinion. One could argue he "was" a hypocrite in the mid 1990's over the scandal. Ok, lets pretend your right (though I do see a distinction). Your saying your suprised "a devout Christian" can see a path to accept his repentance? Really? We are all imperfect, and he has done what both his own Catholicism and modern Protestantism requires - he has admitted his error, both publicly and privately, he has requested forgiveness for it, and has demonstrated in the last 11+ years to have faced his own moral demons and, with the grace of God - defeated them. Thats right - 11+ years of monogamous marriage to Callista - and you can bet that she has kept an eye out for infidelity!

The "devout Christian" thing to do is not to beat someone over the head for sins committed in the past that have been claimed, repented of, and learned from. Our Lord and Savior does it for us, we fail if we don't do it for others. If you don't get that, then you don't understand the message of Christ at all.

MH · 01-22-12, 04:22 PM

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Steve,

My issue with Clinton was always the perjury issue. Getting on national TV and lying to the American people. Those I think were unacceptable behavior from our President.

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Don't you think there was a reason for that?
His thoughts might had been that it was necessary due to political culture.
At the end he got screwed over the lies anyways.
(American politics is a like canaval to me...so i'm just curious)

Takeda Shingen · 01-22-12, 04:24 PM

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Don't you think there was a reason for that?
His thoughts might had been that it was necessary due to political culture.
At the end he got screwed over the lies anyways.
(American politics is a like canaval to me...so i'm just curious)

I always figured that he was trying to save his marriage. "Uh....no, no. I...I didn't do that. No. Well......yeah okay, fine. Yeah.....I did." Frankly, I probably would have done the same thing. It's only human. At the same time, the chances of Hillary leaving were nil. Power, wealth and all that.

mookiemookie · 01-22-12, 04:45 PM

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At the same time, the chances of Hillary leaving were nil. Power, wealth and all that.

Maybe it was just like our Fox News commenter said and she was "so moved by his emotional energy and intellect."

Takeda Shingen · 01-22-12, 04:53 PM

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Maybe it was just like our Fox News commenter said and she was "so moved by his emotional energy and intellect."

No. Democrats have no individual emotions or intellect. They only obey a collective hive mentality in their mission to destroy American freedom, eliminate the military, surrender to our enemies, root out and kill the wealthy, prohibit heterosexual marriage, outlaw Christianity and consume the flesh of aborted fetuses. The only explanation is that Hillary was Bill's thrall.

MH · 01-22-12, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

I always figured that he was trying to save his marriage. "Uh....no, no. I...I didn't do that. No. Well......yeah okay, fine. Yeah.....I did." Frankly, I probably would have done the same thing. It's only human. At the same time, the chances of Hillary leaving were nil. Power, wealth and all that.

I remember the TV spectacle with Clinton-felt sorry for the guy.

01-22-12, 12:35 PM	#47
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	This whole 'Newt vs Bill' thing sounds to me like special pleading from the hard right. "Lying, cheating, adultery and immorality are fine as long as it's our guy that's doing it." I find this game especially odd coming from people claiming to be devout Christians, who are supposed to be part of a Kingdom, and not a worldly government. The whole Monica thing was a blatant attempt by Republicans to get Clinton, just as the whole Ollie thing was a blatant attempt by Democrats to get Reagan. Deny it all you want, you're playing partisan politics, and you're part of what's wrong with this country. Morality, for me anyway, isn't a part of why I support or don't support a candidate. I didn't like Clinton for my own reasons. Monica wasn't one of them. The people who slam Clinton for his "perjury" already hated him long before that, and were looking for a reason, just as the people who hate Bush for Iraq already hated him and were looking for a reason. I'm not talking about people like me, who disagreed with the decision but supported it because I didn't have all the facts. Now that more facts are in, I still disagree, but it wasn't my decision to make. I'm talking about the people who actively hate the person, calling him names and condemning him every chance they get. Gingrich is a hypocrite, pure and simple. If that doesn't bother you then admit it and still support him. Just don't try to tell the rest of us that there is a difference between the adulterer you like and the adulterer you hate. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

01-22-12, 12:31 PM	#46
MH Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3,184 Downloads: 248 Uploads: 0	Its sad but its sort of People often vote for generally liked figures while media creates or destroy the image.