Russians vote in nationwide parliamentary poll

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Ever been to Cancun?

Good example...my lad was there the other day and was given a rare shore leave so he went around the local area for an hour or so with the local shipping agent in his car.

There's quite a sharp contrast once you leave the resort area apparently.

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by PapaKilo

No, how is it related or at least familiar with situation in Russia ?

He meant how the tourist areas are all built up nicely, and walled in. But you face a high probability of being robbed outside the resort areas. (especially with white skin)
A false facade to make the cash.

I can see this: H. Clinton's playfull attempt few years earlier to "Reset" (failed translation that sounded in russian "peregruzka") relationships between USA and Russia now seems to be falling apart.. Visions about Russia as NATO's partner is rapidly shrinking. Events that are happening nowadays in Russia violates basic foundation of democracy that western countries cherish. How does all these things and much more can be compatible ? This is a question that sooner or later will have to be answered. To my POW Russia doesn't give a damn in honestly wanting to change it's savage character towards peace and order in it's own continent. As if Russia always seeks for pretext to interfere with western standarts and basic understandings in democracy together with how the right of citizen should be treated. Thus repulsing any logical attempts from west in cooperation.
Moreover I can see that Russia owned very fragile part or should I say fed western countries with dissembled democracy as an eye candy in world arena, but now just went tired of it.

So I think this way. And if it is truth I would like to know what was all this show about ?

Originally Posted by soopaman2

He meant how the tourist areas are all built up nicely, and walled in. But you face a high probability of being robbed outside the resort areas. (especially with white skin)
A false facade to make the cash.

Ahh, thanks for clearing this out

However this fact is more common in third countries I believe ?

Fair enough that this might be close to Russia case as well.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by PapaKilo

No, how is it related or at least familiar with situation in Russia ?

Cancun is the easternmost major city in Mexico and is the largest city in the state of Quintana Roo. It is located on the northeastern tip of the Yucatán Peninsula.

[Jimbuna]

Poll falsification 2011

[CCIP]

Originally Posted by PapaKilo

To my POW Russia doesn't give a damn in honestly wanting to change it's savage character towards peace and order in it's own continent. As if Russia always seeks for pretext to interfere with western standarts and basic understandings in democracy together with how the right of citizen should be treated. Thus repulsing any logical attempts from west in cooperation.

You keep talking about "Russia this" and "Russia that", but who do you actually mean when you say "Russia"? Who is this insidious entity that has a savage character and interferes with everything? Are people who got arrested in demonstrations in recent days not Russians also? Are dissident intellectuals and classics of Russian culture are "savage" too? And the average Russian living in poverty? Geopolitical entities don't think and act, specific people driving them do.

Not that I don't think Russians don't deserve the government they have - it's something that everyone does have a collective share of responsibility in. But to distribute that collective responsibility indiscriminately is not the way to go - power has never been distributed equally in Russia. And of course those who do have power are going to repulse Western ideals - accepting and promoting them would be a quick way to dig their own grave.

Originally Posted by CCIP

You keep talking about "Russia this" and "Russia that", but who do you actually mean when you say "Russia"? Who is this insidious entity that has a savage character and interferes with everything? Are people who got arrested in demonstrations in recent days not Russians also? Are dissident intellectuals and classics of Russian culture are "savage" too? And the average Russian living in poverty? Geopolitical entities don't think and act, specific people driving them do.

Not that I don't think Russians don't deserve the government they have - it's something that everyone does have a collective share of responsibility in. But to distribute that collective responsibility indiscriminately is not the way to go - power has never been distributed equally in Russia. And of course those who do have power are going to repulse Western ideals - accepting and promoting them would be a quick way to dig their own grave.

When I say Russia, it is their government I always have in mind. I think this specific savage character came to Russia with bolshevizm back at the time. Russian intellectuals or culture is just a sparkle in the dark. Reminds me about the bright side of Russia decent times that past long time ago.

Why is that you say that if Russia accepted Western ideals this was equated to digging out the grave ? Is the Russia still feels like an empire of evil ?

R. Reagan was right, and still he is..

Putin blames US for post-election protests

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...158891,00.html

[Gerald]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16084743

Note: Update record,8 December 2011 Last updated at 11:20 GMT

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by PapaKilo

Putin blames US for post-election protests

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...158891,00.html

Suprised....the guy has more neck than a giraffe

[Skybird]

Biggest demosntrations in Russia since 20 years, since collapse of Soviet Union.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16122524

Putin under pressure, no doubt. The government seems to be plan-less. The demonstrators too. Maybe they did not expect to be successful today.

As I said earlier, my biggest interst in Russia is a stable society there, one that redcuces the risk of unrest and the military revolting. I wish the yprotesters good luck. But how do they want to move on if they have no people that could take overfrom and replace the current government while enjoying the trust and support by the military?

At least this time a successful regime chnage would not automatically mean Islamic cavemen taking over and establishing a Sharia-based regime. That's what makes this possible beginning of another political Spring event much more enjoyable than the others we had this year, in North Africa.

[soopaman2]

What would Putin have to gain blaming the US. Maybe his business dealings in Iran and N Korea needed a little legitmizing in the international community?

Always fashionable to blame America, but as always, proof is wanting.

[Jimbuna]

I doubt the protests will go much further but even if they escalated to an extreme above that of Libya et al, who would intervene?