Neanderthal sex boosted immunity in modern humans

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by Osmium Steele

I recall reading an article which stated that there is no "red hair/fair skin/freckles" gene in the various strains of the human genome which migrated out of africa.

Since the genes controlling these attributes are seemingly connected, they could not have evolved in the short time since homo sapiens sapiens migrated to Europe.

The conclusion was that neanderthals were a bunch of gingers, and they did not disappear, but became modern Europeans through interbreeding.

Interesting, if true.

*closes zipper of his pants* Sorry, just came back from the Neanderthal... (I live only a couple of kilometers away)

I read articles about it too, the most common theory is that homo sapines and Neanderthals lived side-by-side for some time and besides killing each other there certainly was some little shagging
What is still unclear if the Neanderthals died out with or without our help - some people argue that they were absorbed by the modern humans.

[Hottentot]

Originally Posted by Penguin

some people argue that they were absorbed by the modern humans.

I know another interesting theory that has spawned from this idea. You know how in good old fairy tales there are sometimes trolls and such, that are basically like human beings, but bigger, hairier, uglier, stronger and whatnot. The theory is that such stereotype of a humane but not kind humane monster is in fact a reminder of the neanderthal people, left in the collective subconscience of the modern people whose ancestors fought and eventually absorbed them. It's not a conscious choice anymore than being afraid of spiders.

The punchline is, that I learned this from a high school history book. So take with a huge grain of salt. But I thought it was a funny idea.

[NeonSamurai]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Is it though?
If someone writes in a topic complaining that people are attacking Christianity then that becomes a topic for debate.
Since the best way to debate is to get to the core of the issues, which in regards to Christianity must have scripture and theology very high on the list.
If it is easily demonstrated that a complaint about Christianity is from someone whose knowledge is so bad on the subject that it is frequently directly contradictory to it its cores then it does establish a lack of validity in that persons position.
Once that is established then nearly every topic where that person brings up Christianity can be handled in the same way.
It could even be said that Haplo with his "christianity" is repeatedly trolling Christians.

I think the issue, is not that you are debating this stuff, but the ammount of ridicule and insult you lace into your arguments. I have no issue with people taking on other peoples views that they disagree with (this is after all a forum, not anyone's personal soap box, where they can say what ever they want and not be challenged). But there is a fine line between pointing out how absurd a person's views may be, and trolling them. A line you seem to like to dance around.

The irony to me though is that, although your points may be valid and even clever, your posting style looks childish, petty, and makes it hard to take seriously. Heaping ridicule in, in the end only does a disservice to yourself, plus it will get you into trouble.


Anyhow I would suggest you take a time out from your crusade on CaptainHaplo, before I have to give you one. That and I again strongly encourage you to drop the ridicule. You want to rip his statements to shreds, be my guest, just show a modicum of respect when doing it.

It is trolling (or worse) when you admit - as you did (and which is demonstrated by a quick forum search) that you purposely follow a specific individual and repeatedly post after him/her with the intent and outcome to demean and diminish your target.

Learn English
when you admit

you purposely

demean and diminish
You fail again

The history of your actions is right in the search field.

Indeed, which shows your last attempt at "search" in this field to be a flat out misreprestantion of facts, some people might say that a flat out misreprestation is a lie, which of course a Christian would say is a sin

You have continually and intentionally followed and launched personal attacks against me

Really? Against you or your much stated view of scripture and Christianity?

You have never wanted discussion

Where would you like to start, gensis, enoch, job.... hey try augustine...you run a mile every time.(see below)
Even your last attempt on scripture and slavery was so far off the mark it a was a pitiful display of "christian" ignorance flying in the face of everything.
To try and make imaginary scripture fit your "christian" views rather than a link of scripture and Christianity in support of your viewpoint shows it all.

Discussions are for people who can hear

(further below)
...............

Which is why in the other thread concerning religion I asked you a direct and (in my opinion) reasonable question regarding what you said. You chose to ignore it, yet I assume I am not on your ignore list. I'm just curious if you missed it or if it was intentional

Below delivers.

You are exceptionaly vocal in your "christian" views and supposed attacks on Christianity, yet your views are often very contrary to the tenets of that religion, the attacks are not on a personal level but they are on your own stated views about a religion you loudly claim to have.
Whenever it is pointed out that your views are contrary to scripture or fly in the face of theology you run a mile from debate and just repeatedly post the same old easily disproven nonsense again and again.
Use your search funtion to get a paraphrased version from Hippo on "christians" with views like yourself.
I think it comes up third on the forum search for "cretinism"
But make sure you read it and don't try and say that it stated something that it doesn't like you have already done many times in this topic.

Hottentot, if you look at that "old fairy tales" I alluded to it earlier, it exists in Christian scripture too, though they have been argiung for a couple of thousand years about what it really means and how to make it match with other bits.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Is it though?
If someone writes in a topic complaining that people are attacking Christianity then that becomes a topic for debate.
Since the best way to debate is to get to the core of the issues, which in regards to Christianity must have scripture and theology very high on the list.
If it is easily demonstrated that a complaint about Christianity is from someone whose knowledge is so bad on the subject that it is frequently directly contradictory to it its cores then it does establish a lack of validity in that persons position.
Once that is established then nearly every topic where that person brings up Christianity can be handled in the same way.
It could even be said that Haplo with his "christianity" is repeatedly trolling Christians.

Semantics. You know what you are doing, and I think you should know better than to try that with me.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by Hottentot

I know another interesting theory that has spawned from this idea. You know how in good old fairy tales there are sometimes trolls and such, that are basically like human beings, but bigger, hairier, uglier, stronger and whatnot. The theory is that such stereotype of a humane but not kind humane monster is in fact a reminder of the neanderthal people, left in the collective subconscience of the modern people whose ancestors fought and eventually absorbed them. It's not a conscious choice anymore than being afraid of spiders.

This would make an interesting thesis subject for an antropologist. You had to research old myths in the Neanderthals habitant and compare them with legends from other world regions, if they also mention "trollish" creatures.
It doesn't neccessarily have to be a collective subconscience, just stories passed on for thousands of years, like the big flood story which you find in many cultures.

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Hottentot, if you look at that "old fairy tales" I alluded to it earlier, it exists in Christian scripture too, though they have been argiung for a couple of thousand years about what it really means and how to make it match with other bits.

This would fit, as the good ole Neanders were also found in biblical regions.
Can you link to the post where you wrote about it?

Penguin. It is in #13.

[Paul Riley]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Next thing will be equal rights for Australopithecus!!!!

LMFAO

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Learn English
when you admit

you purposely

demean and diminish
You fail again

And you troll again. This kind of post needs to stop.

[Paul Riley]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

And you troll again. This kind of post needs to stop.

I dont want to get enveloped in any more feuds in here,once is enough for me and i've learned my lesson (2 weeks in the cooler was bad enough) but I dont know why Tribesman or others do it.Its getting tedious now and its not fair on those of us that have valid arguments/opinions.We are all individuals and should be treated with respect and be given the benefit of the doubt at all times.None of us are perfect,sure I said some bad things in the past,but i've learned,and it wont happen again,I certainly wont be 'baited' by anyone anymore at the very least.This constant flaming all the time is wrong,and as Steve said above,it should stop.
I thought trolling and being rude in general was an offence anyway?.

[Paul Riley]

Originally Posted by Paul Riley

I dont want to get enveloped in any more feuds in here,once is enough for me and i've learned my lesson (2 weeks in the cooler was bad enough) but I dont know why Tribesman or others do it.Its getting tedious now and its not fair on those of us that have valid arguments/opinions.We are all individuals and should be treated with respect and be given the benefit of the doubt at all times.None of us are perfect,sure I said some bad things in the past,but i've learned,and it wont happen again,I certainly wont be 'baited' by anyone anymore at the very least.This constant flaming all the time is wrong,and as Steve said above,it should stop.
I thought trolling and being rude in general was an offence anyway?.

Sorry I had to post that,I just felt I should after my recent similar experience,resulting in a 2 week ban.Its really none of my business this particular squabble so...ergh...whatever

[Sailor Steve]

No need to apologize, Paul.

Originally Posted by Paul Riley

Its getting tedious now and its not fair on those of us that have valid arguments/opinions.

Or even if the argument is invalid. As I've said many times, I don't know anything. That doesn't mean I don't have an opinion, it just means that I know that no matter how hard I think my facts may be, it could still turn out that I'm wrong. The same is true for others. When I say I don't know anything I'm also implying that you (not you, Paul, but the generic "you") don't either. I don't know that Christianity is false, but I do see no evidence at all for the existence of a God, so I argue from that viewpoint. On the other hand the Christian also doesn't know for a fact that he's right. What if it turns out the Muslims are right? That said, ridicule is the lowest form of debate, and serves no one.

Ridicule Creationism if you like, but you don't know that they're not the ones who are right. Of course the ancient Greeks could have been right too, and they don't allow for that possibility. On the other hand, arguing that Creationism has no scientific value and is not based in science at all is a valid argument, whether it's true or not.

I thought trolling and being rude in general was an offence anyway?.

It is, but General Topics is somewhat looser than other forums, and some leeway is allowed. I not too long ago had debates with a couple of other members, and the more I countered their arguments the more they turned away from the topic itself, one of them finally telling me I was old and should step aside for the younger generation and the other accusing me of being "unchallengeable" and "a fixture on Subsim". While the latter point is true (but I'm not the only one) the first was nothing of the kind. But neither of them crossed any lines regarding the rules, and I never suggested that they should be stopped, censored or punished in any way.

But some people see the need to attack and ridicule, and they shouldn't. As pointed out by others, that only dimishishes the person who does it.

Ridicule Creationism if you like, but you don't know that they're not the ones who are right. Of course the ancient Greeks could have been right too, and they don't allow for that possibility. On the other hand, arguing that Creationism has no scientific value and is not based in science at all is a valid argument, whether it's true or not.

The great thing about creationism is that it can be validly dealt with from either a religious or scientific viewpoint.
From a religious viewpoint it just doesn't stand up which is why such things have been a contentious issue for Christianity for two thousand years, and from a scientific viewpoint it is an absolute joke.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

The great thing about creationism is that it can be validly dealt with from either a religious or scientific viewpoint.
From a religious viewpoint it just doesn't stand up which is why such things have been a contentious issue for Christianity for two thousand years, and from a scientific viewpoint it is an absolute joke.

Nice way to sidestep the subject, which is you attacking not the idea but the people who adhere to it.