Second Amendment Under Attack In Congress

[MH]

Originally Posted by Wolfehunter

You have a right to defend yourself Period!

OK..sound really great.

In my opinion lots of street/home shootings may be caused just because everybody expect every body else to have gun.
So i would not go for your wallet unless equipped with one and shoot you if you twitch.

Don't get me wrong i admire USA for its freedom.
Some of those laws seem to me a bit ancient though and cause more harm than good.
I haven't digged into this issue but thats how it seems at glance.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Freiwillige

So it goes from being a ranch rifle to an assault rifle just by putting cool looking parts on it that have no effect on its actual function?

I'm not gun freak just used to be an user i don't really know what they sell at Wallmart .
If the only difference is the AUTO option then its true.
You actually already own military assault rifle without this small technicality.

[yubba]

First off the term assult rifle was made up to demonies weapons. Assult means attack, so if it sits in the corner, I guess it is a peace rifle.

Some of them did have the foresight

So some of them did and some of them didn't, the ones that didn't won out at the writing of the constitution but then they argued some more over the arguements they had already had and the ones that did won on that arguement.
So they did more writing, but then it turns out despite all the arguements the ones who did didn't really as what they wrote is still argued about over two hundred years later as their foresight and writing wasn't very good.

First off the term assult rifle was made up to demonies weapons.

Watch out for those demonies which want to assult you
Though in the real world these guns name developed as a translated term which was meant to promote the weapon.

[MH]

Originally Posted by yubba

First off the term assult rifle was made up to demonies weapons. Assult means attack, so if it sits in the corner, I guess it is a peace rifle.

No its a purpose.
Every one to his own though.
When i have the time and peace of mind ill probably will go into airplane models building.

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by Freiwillige

Its not a 7.62x39 although that translates into a .308 or 30 cal popular for hunting

It is a 5.45x39 which is similar to the .223\5.56 NATO round. In fact it is a copy of the idea. So that equates it to basically a .22 caliber bullet.

It has nothing to do with the round but the designed intent of the firearm.
Assault weapons are fully automatic. Once that equation is removed the only thing remaining is the looks. My Rifle will look just like the AK-74. It will be based off the AK-74. But it will be just a magazine fed rifle.

but with much less powder behind it. do you have any clue how bullets work? A .308 the .30-06 cartage has a much higher powder charge making it more powerful. lust because it has the same caliber does not mean it's just as effective for hunting. Also, a 5.45x39 is not anywhere the same as a .22 either. Much higher powder to bullet ratio.

I also reject the idea that cartage has nothing to do with the making of an assault rifle. why? because an assault rifle cartage is the basis of the gun itself. A full sized .308 firing full auto would be known as a automatic rifle, Like the BAR or FG-42. However, the idea of an assault rifle is an automatic rifle firing an intermediate cartage between a pistol and a full on rifle. If your gun fired 9mm I'd call it an SMG, If your Gun fired 7.62x54r then I'll call it a Dragunov or SVD which is a Rifle.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

So some of them did and some of them didn't, the ones that didn't won out at the writing of the constitution but then they argued some more over the arguements they had already had and the ones that did won on that arguement.
So they did more writing, but then it turns out despite all the arguements the ones who did didn't really as what they wrote is still argued about over two hundred years later as their foresight and writing wasn't very good.

It's funny. James Madison didn't want any rights enumerated because he believed that all rights belong to the individual and none to the government. He felt that no matter how many they listed they would inevitably leave something out, and sooner or later some legal weenie would come along and say "See, they left that one out, so they must not have meant it!" Turns out he was right.

Originally Posted by Gimpy117

but with much less powder behind it. do you have any clue how bullets work? A .308 the .30-06 cartage has a much higher powder charge making it more powerful. lust because it has the same caliber does not mean it's just as effective for hunting. Also, a 5.45x39 is not anywhere the same as a .22 either. Much higher powder to bullet ratio.

I also reject the idea that cartage has nothing to do with the making of an assault rifle. why? because an assault rifle cartage is the basis of the gun itself. A full sized .308 firing full auto would be known as a automatic rifle, Like the BAR or FG-42. However, the idea of an assault rifle is an automatic rifle firing an intermediate cartage between a pistol and a full on rifle. If your gun fired 9mm I'd call it an SMG, If your Gun fired 7.62x54r then I'll call it a Dragunov or SVD which is a Rifle.

So my bolt-action five-shot Ought-Three Springfield is an assault rifle? It was considered one in 1917, but today is clearly outside the legal definitions of that category. Should it be included? I've had it since 1987, and I have yet to shoot anybody with it. Or even any deer, for that matter.

It's funny.......

@Steve It is always funny when people talk of the founding fathers and a particular viewpoint or intention as all encompasing when the founders had many different viewpoints and intentions.

[yubba]

Gee what could have the founding fathers been thinking well let's see, we had just driven the British off the contentinet, at the end of our muskets, we were settleling untamed wilderness with dangerous animals and hostile native americans, most food that was gathered, was the takeing of wild game. Seems pretty staight forward to me, so what part of not to be infringed upon don't you understand.????

[MH]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

So my bolt-action five-shot Ought-Three Springfield is an assault rifle? It was considered one in 1917, but today is clearly outside the legal definitions of that category. Should it be included? I've had it since 1987, and I have yet to shoot anybody with it. Or even any deer, for that matter.

In Israel you probably would have to remove/destroy firing pin if you are collector or keep it locked somwhere and get civilian license which might difficult.
Crazy....

Still doesn't seem like adequate weapon for home defense and may be pain to carry around.
9mm hand gun is more than enough for defense and doesn't endanger whole neighborhood when some happy shooting starts.

[yubba]

Nine's are nice but I like stuff that can shoot through schools

[MH]

Originally Posted by yubba

Nine's are nice but I like stuff that can shoot through schools

Put gatling gun your window

Gee what could have the founding fathers been thinking

Well a thinking person would look at what they said and wrote at the time relating to the amendment.

Seems pretty staight forward to me

Yes yubba and we see regularly how straight your mind works.

well let's see, we had just driven the British off the contentinet

Could you sign yourself up for some very basic history lessons just to get you started off in life on an elementary footing?

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Could you sign yourself up for some very basic history lessons just to get you started off in life on an elementary footing?

I think that came off a bit offensive Tribesman.

You are right though, the British were far from kicked out of North Amerika, unless Yubba doesn't actually believe in Canada.

Edit: Maybe he thinks Canada's existence is liberal propaganda?