Why all the Obama hatred?

[tater]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

So I'm a Democan or a Repocrat depending on which way I lean at the time?

I'm registered independent, and I vote that way. I tend to usually only vote dem for a few things—like school boards (so that the schools actually teach, you know, science).

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

but they are my own views, not a party line, not something I heard on tv etc.


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They have their anchor babies here who just cost us money.They will no doubt spend their life on entitelment programs and cause further damage to this nation.

You say one thing and prove yourself wrong just a few short sentences later. You have no clue what an "anchor baby" is aside from what the idiot talking heads on Fox News tells you it is.

I bet you didn't know that:

Today, a citizen must be 21 in order to sponsor the green card application of a parent or an immediate relative. The applicant must then show documentation proving that he or she has not been in the United States unlawfully for more than one year. Barring such proof—the primary obstacle most immigrants face—the parent must return to the country of origin for ten years before being allowed to lawfully re-enter the United States and resume the application process.

http://www.thenation.com/article/38035/baby-baiting

You spew garbage with no basis in fact. Smarten up or keep looking uninformed. Your call.

Funny. On a whim, I read a post from someone on my ignore list, and they prove to me again why they're on my ignore list.

[Platapus]

First of all, as other posters have posted, there is a difference between disagreeing/disapproving of a president and hating/ridiculing him.

Personally, I disapproved of President Bush, but I never hated him, nor did I approve of the ridicule.

While ridiculing of presidents have been around since Washington, it has gotten more apparent since the advent of the Internet Tubes, in my opinion. It has become more socially acceptable to be disrespectful of our president.

I remember being present during political discussions with my parent's adult friends in the 70's. While there was disagreement on what the president was doing, when the conversation started to drift toward ridiculing the President, the group socially self-policed itself.

It is this self-policing that is absent these days. It started a little with George H. W. Bush but really took flight with Clinton. Clinton was the first president in my memory who was vilified before taking office. The press violated their tradition of "100 days".

Then when G W Bush came in office, entire industries dedicated to the ridicule of the president came in to existence. Bumper stickers, books (bushisms), calenders, count-down counters. This was a multi-million dollar industry and the public loved it. It became "trendy" to openly ridicule the president outside of any specific issue. It became a social habit in this country.

When Obama came in, This industry did not want to go away and the public liked this social habit. If you remember, immediately after the election, there were already on the market Obama countdown timers (all they did was put an Obama sticker and reprogram the Bush timer) and all sorts of merchandise all two months before he even took the oath.

To stop this, two things have to happen

1. The industry of presidential ridicule must become unprofitable.
2. It must become socially unacceptable to ridicule the president.

Only the citizens of this country have the power to implement these changes. The problem is that some people are simply making too much money in the industry and other people are having too much fun ridiculing the president.

It would be nice if the media would take some responsibility, but relying on the media for social responsibility is a fantasy.

It is my sad prediction that any future president regardless of their political party or their platform will be subject to this ridicule industry. It has become a most profitable habit

[Aramike]

Funny. On a whim, I read a post from someone on my ignore list, and they prove to me again why they're on my ignore list.

Heh, had that experience myself a few days back actually.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Do you realize how condescending it is to say that people are angry because they have been "conditioned" ?? That implies that anyone who is angry at Obama and the Dems for being just as corrupt and wrong as the Bush Admin are simple minded fools, racist etc etc

Sure, on both sides there are the less educated and/or intelligent who repeat what they hear etc etc.The vast majority are not like that though.I graduated college with 4.0 GPA, I did very well on the LSAT and I am currently in my first year Law School.My arguments and views are my own, I may agree and share some of them with other Conservatives but they are my own views, not a party line, not something I heard on tv etc.

If only the stupid were able to be manipulated, mankind would have had a much smoother history.

You have implored me and others not to be turned away by Republican nominees who we find distasteful so that 'the bad guys' don't win. As I said in another post today, voting for a candidate that I do not believe in to insure a loss for Team D is entirely antithetical to the very foundations of modern liberal democracy. In other words, this is not how the system is supposed to work; it is not what our founding fathers had in mind when they laid the framework for said liberal democracy.

It is very clear that you identify with Team R. It is also very clear that your goal is to stick it to Team D. This is evidenced by the fact that you admit that you not only disaprove of the policy, you hate the politician. He is un-American. He is dehumanized. He is the embodiment of all that is wrong with society. Only his defeat can restore America. This is the very brand of political theatre sold by the industry. Many, many people subscribe to that theatre, and it is more destructive than any budget or bill.

You see exactly the same zeal every time the Steelers play the Browns. The difference is that the football fan calms down once the game is over. For the politico, it is a game that never ends.

[Castout]

Because most people are irrational and incapable of proper critical thinking?!

I feel pity for Obama. He's trying to give his best for the Americans and the country and many not only dislike him but hate him?

When you see the president addressing the nation tonight or tomorrow you look into his eyes....don't tell me you can't see he believes in what he is saying.....a rarity these days among your politicians and even presidents. Though I still very much prefer Marthin Luther King Jr than him the previous is DEAD so live with the fact

Give the man some slack. Give him time. He closed Guantanamo, trying to put an end to Iraq's adventure while trying to put some order in Afghanistan both wars he didn't started and both wars that put the American economy on strain. He inherited a ruined economy that forces him to stimulate them to prevent spiraling down into severe depression yet the very act of saving it causes consternation?!

What do the Americans want from their president. Wave a stick and hope miracles will take care things? He's no Moses for God sake!

Give him 3 years or a little more then judge him by his policies. If you still don't like him that's what election is for!

Honestly speaking do you think the other candidate then could do better?
Think for yourself and just don't jump into the bandwagon of faulting the president.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Platapus

It is my sad prediction that any future president regardless of their political party or their platform will be subject to this ridicule industry. It has become a most profitable habit

And that's what it really boils down to. Political vitriol is now big business.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

And that's what it really boils down to. Political vitriol is now big business.

The size of Rush Limbaugh's house gives ample evidence of that.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Hate is a strong word.

Dislike may be more appropriate. Personally I dislike what Obama represents.

1. Overwhelmingly condescending stature toward his opposition.

2. He is a socialist who insists that the government can run my life better than I can.

3. He is a welfare president who would sell out 260 million Americans to address the needs of 40 million Americans.

4. His ram it down our throat, hurry up and get it passed before anyone notices the BS approach to the legislative process.

5. General disagreement with his stance on virtually all the issues facing our nation. (not all... Virtually all)

6. His foriegn policy as skybird pointed out is too far a radical departure from the last several years for a lot of Americans to swallow.


I could go on and on.

You forgot, he's neutering NASA and the US space program.

[tater]

How did he get "anchor baby" wrong?

A baby born in the US is a citizen. They can therefore get government services. That's an anchor baby. Here in the SW, there are border school districts where the large majority of cost is educating kids born to illegals. Those kids qualifty for Salud (NM Medicaid), too. I hate that, since it reimburses below cost, but my wife is required to treat them (meaning literally that every such patient costs us money out of pocket (plus much larger opportunity costs).

Maybe they are not such a big deal in the NE. It's crushing in the SW.

Did I miss something else he implied other than that one sentence at the end of that post?

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

You forgot, he's neutering NASA and the US space program.

7. De-balling NASA and the US Space Program.

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

The size of Rush Limbaugh's house gives ample evidence of that.

Thats not a mere house.

[GoldenRivet]

Speaking of Anchor Babies

My dad worked in the Southwest as a CRNA for childbirth cases.

he worked there for about 18 months, and he says, on average... they delivered 300 of these anchor babies per month.

300

one town

on average

PER MONTH

[tater]

I have to admit, for a guy who promised transparency, and that the entire healthcare debate would be bipartisan, and televised, the move to do virtually all of it behind closed doors, with payoffs to buy votes, and every effort to ram it through with as little discussion (and no time for any lawmaker to possibly have read the bill) pissed me off beyond any possible reconciliation.

If he does something I agree with I will happily give him props on it. But in general, the current congress/executive combo is despicable, IMO, for no other reason than ramming stuff through.

If they had decent rules like "one idea, one bill" combined with a requirement of X days debate (on the record) per page of bill, we'd all be better off.

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by tater

I'm registered independent, and I vote that way. I tend to usually only vote dem for a few things—like school boards (so that the schools actually teach, you know, science).

The problem with Indies is that they will never be voted into an office of importance. Maybe things will change in November but I doubt it.