Gun Violence and the outlawing of firearms in America

GoldenRivet · 06-28-10, 08:07 PM

I ran a test some years ago, with a couple of my personal firearms. One was an AR-15, the other an SKS. I loaded both and put them on the back porch of my rural home under the watchful eye of a DVR video camera. For one week, the firearms sat there on the back porch, fully loaded... seven days.

During those seven days, neither gun ever attempted to kill anyone.

they both lay there, behaving in a peaceful manner, never acting in aggression or making any movement whatsoever.

however...

in that same seven day period, 18 people were arrested for DUI, 3 for reckless driving, 1 for endangerment of a child, 4 for methamphetamine possession, 15 for shoplifting and 1 for domestic abuse.

personally, it makes more sense to outlaw idiots than it does guns.

Takeda Shingen · 06-28-10, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

in that same seven day period, 18 people were arrested for DUI, 3 for reckless driving, 1 for endangerment of a child, 4 for methamphetamine possession, 15 for shoplifting and 1 for domestic abuse.

Yeah, that was quite a busy week. In seriousness, I agree with you. I am not a gun owner, and I probably never will be one, but I support your right to own one or more.

Zachstar · 06-28-10, 08:15 PM

Glad you live in a safe neighborhood where nobody will dare steal those weapons to use them for robberies and such. BTW I dont know of the legality of what you did. Some states have laws requiring safe storage when large weapons are not in use.

I dont get the crying anyway. The supreme court has ruled TIME after TIME against gun laws.

breadcatcher101 · 06-28-10, 08:18 PM

What kind of SKS? I have a Yugo. Nice carbines, fun to shoot.

Stealth Hunter · 06-28-10, 08:36 PM

Gov'ment 'gonn take our religion and our guns...

Ducimus · 06-28-10, 08:52 PM

I've always sat on the fence where gun control is concerned.

On one hand their just a tool like any another. A skill saw, table saw, hammer drill, powder actuated, whatever. Like any tool it's designed to do a specific job. And Tools typically don't go off by themselves, someone has to use them.

On the other hand, some tools are designed to do a job that you probably aren't going to be doing as a civilian, at least not lawfully (exception here being castle laws).

To waffle again, id love to own an M16-A1 or an A2, it would be nice to hold one in my hands again and squeeze off some rounds, and to waffle again, it's not a tool id like to see in the hands of some gang banger in Pomona , south central LA, or whatever.

So yeah, here i sit on the fence.

nikimcbee · 06-29-10, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by breadcatcher101

What kind of SKS? I have a Yugo. Nice carbines, fun to shoot.

I have a chinese one I bought when I was in high-school. I used to target shoot a lot, but not so much anymore.

Dutch · 07-01-10, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

I ran a test some years ago, with a couple of my personal firearms. One was an AR-15, the other an SKS. I loaded both and put them on the back porch of my rural home under the watchful eye of a DVR video camera. For one week, the firearms sat there on the back porch, fully loaded... seven days.

During those seven days, neither gun ever attempted to kill anyone.

they both lay there, behaving in a peaceful manner, never acting in aggression or making any movement whatsoever.

however...

in that same seven day period, 18 people were arrested for DUI, 3 for reckless driving, 1 for endangerment of a child, 4 for methamphetamine possession, 15 for shoplifting and 1 for domestic abuse.

personally, it makes more sense to outlaw idiots than it does guns.

This is what the Republican party has been trying to tell the idiot democrats for decades. Its either entirely to simple for them, or entirely to complicated because they still haven't figured it out. But I think its because they do not want to listen.

tater · 07-01-10, 10:24 AM

The stats posted by OTH are of course very misleading.

"Children" means minors. The vast majority of those firearms deaths of children are closer to 18 years old. Gangbangers, etc. Regardless of age, the vast majority of children who are hurt or killed as a result of fire arms are criminals, or children of criminals (or living in a home with a criminal).

That relates to the CDC claim that far higher US deaths occur under age 15.

Criminal kids at home with other kids that may, or may not be criminals. Older, criminal kid (or criminal parent) leaves loaded gun around (if they were responsible they'd not have had kids in the first place in their economic situation), kid gets killed playing with it.

When you look at a suburban demographic, US stats look like Europe—though slightly higher. When you look at a 3d world demographic in the US, the rate looks 3d world.

Ban having kids without a dad married to the mom, and you'll see a better reduction, frankly (since the bulk of US firearms deaths come from firearms that are illegally owned, anyway (kids of any age, felons, etc, may not purchase firearms in the US).

06-28-10, 08:07 PM	#1
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	Gun Violence and the outlawing of firearms in America I ran a test some years ago, with a couple of my personal firearms. One was an AR-15, the other an SKS. I loaded both and put them on the back porch of my rural home under the watchful eye of a DVR video camera. For one week, the firearms sat there on the back porch, fully loaded... seven days. During those seven days, neither gun ever attempted to kill anyone. they both lay there, behaving in a peaceful manner, never acting in aggression or making any movement whatsoever. however... in that same seven day period, 18 people were arrested for DUI, 3 for reckless driving, 1 for endangerment of a child, 4 for methamphetamine possession, 15 for shoplifting and 1 for domestic abuse. personally, it makes more sense to outlaw idiots than it does guns. __________________

06-28-10, 08:15 PM	#3
Zachstar Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shreveport, Louisiana Posts: 1,956 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Glad you live in a safe neighborhood where nobody will dare steal those weapons to use them for robberies and such. BTW I dont know of the legality of what you did. Some states have laws requiring safe storage when large weapons are not in use. I dont get the crying anyway. The supreme court has ruled TIME after TIME against gun laws. __________________

06-28-10, 08:18 PM	#4
breadcatcher101 Captain Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Southeastern USA Posts: 546 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	What kind of SKS? I have a Yugo. Nice carbines, fun to shoot.

06-28-10, 08:36 PM	#5
Stealth Hunter Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Y'ha-Nthlei Posts: 4,262 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Gov'ment 'gonn take our religion and our guns...

06-28-10, 08:52 PM	#6
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	I've always sat on the fence where gun control is concerned. On one hand their just a tool like any another. A skill saw, table saw, hammer drill, powder actuated, whatever. Like any tool it's designed to do a specific job. And Tools typically don't go off by themselves, someone has to use them. On the other hand, some tools are designed to do a job that you probably aren't going to be doing as a civilian, at least not lawfully (exception here being castle laws). To waffle again, id love to own an M16-A1 or an A2, it would be nice to hold one in my hands again and squeeze off some rounds, and to waffle again, it's not a tool id like to see in the hands of some gang banger in Pomona , south central LA, or whatever. So yeah, here i sit on the fence.

07-01-10, 10:24 AM	#9
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	The stats posted by OTH are of course very misleading. "Children" means minors. The vast majority of those firearms deaths of children are closer to 18 years old. Gangbangers, etc. Regardless of age, the vast majority of children who are hurt or killed as a result of fire arms are criminals, or children of criminals (or living in a home with a criminal). That relates to the CDC claim that far higher US deaths occur under age 15. Criminal kids at home with other kids that may, or may not be criminals. Older, criminal kid (or criminal parent) leaves loaded gun around (if they were responsible they'd not have had kids in the first place in their economic situation), kid gets killed playing with it. When you look at a suburban demographic, US stats look like Europe—though slightly higher. When you look at a 3d world demographic in the US, the rate looks 3d world. Ban having kids without a dad married to the mom, and you'll see a better reduction, frankly (since the bulk of US firearms deaths come from firearms that are illegally owned, anyway (kids of any age, felons, etc, may not purchase firearms in the US).