Oh, my!!!!

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Obama's foreign relations...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7076431.ece

There is a row. Think of that row what you want, agree with the reason for it, or not - but a row as a matter of fact it is. What do you expect in behaviour, then? That everybody acts as if there is no row?

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Thats interesting, especially as you say you are going to work in law, which you have described as a collection of meaningless documents drawn up by liberals.
So these angry people who you claim have a right to be angry, what right do they have to make threats including death threats.
What does the annoying little thing called law say about that?


Don't mention his "patriotic" heroes

Yes, I will be attending Law School this Fall and currently work at a law firm.Many laws are vague and meant as more of a guide than the absolute truth.Some are not but anyone with common sense will have a WTF moment Florida State Statute 365.16 describes obscene or harassing telephone calls as: Making a call without conversation or disclosure of identity and with the intent to harass, annoy, abuse or threaten. Making a call with conversation and with the intent solely to harass or threaten. Making a call during which any obscene conversation or suggestions are made with the intention of offending, harassing, threatening or abusing the person called. Making continued calls or continually ringing the telephone with the intent to harass.

Now that one seems pretty straight forward but the firm I work at handles these cases all the time, typically in domestic troubles when one party keeps calling other etc and anger is involved all the time.Now, when a jury hears the message or the judge sees the case file, sure it's angry, there may even be some profanity but usually its not harassing or threatening and we win via trial or dismissal prob 8 out of 10.The ones we lose we usually lose via a plea or guilty verdict because the person actually made a threat or harassed the victim via repeated calls etc

Lately we have had angry US citizens calling their Congressmen and leaving messages.I have heard many of the messages and sure they were angry, had some profanity, said I do no wish you well etc. I believe maybe one I heard was actually a threat and it barely qualified as one.The others did not make threats or make a call/ leave a message with "conversation and with the intent solely to harass or threaten. Making a call during which any obscene conversation or suggestions are made with the intention of offending, harassing, threatening or abusing the person called." Some of those in congress whining about death threats are boo hooing because someone said I hope something bad happens to you.That is NOT a threat.A threat is I am going to do so and so to you.Leaving an angry message is not a threat, the law was authored to protect people from actual threats and true harassment, not supress freedom of speech by citizens against people in congress or the white house who have ignored the will of the people(their bosses) and pursued their agenda at great expense to this nation.

Having said all that, people should not resort to violence, that is crap the Lefties do(thinking Black Panters, Anti-War protesters in the 60's and 70's, you know some of Obama's friends like Ayers.There are nuts in every group and things will happen sometimes.Only ill I wish towards those who mposed this ridiculous bill on us is that they lose their positions and never return to any position that gives them power.However, the outrage is the Democrats fault, it is what happens when you ignore the people.Their outrage is also kind of a phony tactic, just like the black congressmen claiming they were spat on and racial slurs used against them.Yet all the cameras that were there even their own guys following them up the capital steps with cell phone cameras ready, managed to miss the alleged incidents, HMMMMMMMM



Don't mention his "patriotic" heroes[/QUOTE]

Not my heroes but they are patriots.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Obama's foreign relations...



http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7076431.ece

Obama's muslim sympathies are to blame for this.Obama does not like Israel to begin with and is showing it.Israel is not bending over for him and doing what he wants, so he is snubbing them, which is easy because did not like them to begin with anyway.Meanwhile, he has had no problem bowing to a Saudi King, making nice with Hugo Chavez etc but he dumps a long time friend of America for dinner.

[Fr8monkey]

@ Bubblehead.. I too was a conservative when I graduated from High school. I was until Regan killed the party.

I believed in nation first but being helpful to those in need, government being there for citizens in need, provide protection to its citizens and fiscal restraint.

Now we have our sovereignty being sold to the lowest bidder and our jobs going to China, government telling the population who to marry and forcing children to be born to people who cant raise them, 'borrowing and spending' for unneeded war, giving tax breaks to the rich corporations saying the jobs will be 'trickling down', etc.

Ever since I grew up I realized the "Party of the rich and for the rich" wasn't for me.

BTW what do you think of all the hate crimes being perpetrated by the conservative followers that have been happening lately? Shot or assaulted at any liberals lately? That's what Germans did to others that didn't share their views in the 1930's...

A simple question, what planet do you live on Bubblehead?

[Camaero]

I hate everyone who doesn't agree with me.

I hate everyone who doesn't agree with me.

Thats the Glenn Beck approach to life isn't it
Bubbleheads blind hatred has led him to views that have little bearing on reality and are more often than not entirely contradictory to his already expressed views.

[Fr8monkey]

I don't hate anyone. I am just disappointed when one side - ANY SIDE - can't respect the views of the other side. I get where people on the right are coming from... I just don't like the juvenile name calling. Liberal is not a dirty word.

I don't hate anyone. I am just disappointed when one side - ANY SIDE - can't respect the views of the other side.

Thats the thing, it doesn't matter to me what country, politician or religion is involved, I treat each topic the same.
Bibi could be the biggest idiot on the planet, he could also be a very clever fella. I won't judge him simply because he is an Israeli politician like some have(bubblehead for example).
I judge him by his current and past activities.

[SteamWake]

Reagan killed the party?

[Letum]

Well, anyone could be the anti-Christ...what ever that really means.

[August]

Originally Posted by Letum

Well, anyone could be the anti-Christ...what ever that really means.

Well actually Jesus Christ himself can't be the anti-Christ no more than you yourself can be the anti-Letum!


























(Which I hear is worse than the anti-Christ).

[CaptainHaplo]

Fr8 - its interesting you brought up the "violence" issue - because BOTH sides are being subjected to threats and violence from the citizenry. It is more directed at democrats - but has not been directed ONLY at them. They, being the party "in power", does make them more apt to be targetted by discontent.

The reality is that BOTH parties have engaged in the political game of personal destruction, hate-mongering and "OMGNOES ITS THE END OF THE WORLD IF THEY DO THIS" kind of rhetoric on almost every issue. Now the repercussions of those actions are coming home to roost.

That does not make violence or threats of violence ok, but I get really sick and tired of seeing politicians on either side play the blame game and then act like they are not responsible when the $hit hits the fan.

If they spent the time talking about the issues, instead of why the other side is "driving us to socialism" or "supporting the rich corporations", then the issues would be the driving force.

Of course, if politicians also listened to the people, the threats that are out there wouldn't be occuring would they? They are supposed to work for the people, and some chose not to do so. They don't get a free pass on that, but the way to handle it is throw them out of office in November, not through juvenile acts of harrassment and threats.

[Fr8monkey]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Fr8 - its interesting you brought up the "violence" issue - because BOTH sides are being subjected to threats and violence from the citizenry. It is more directed at democrats - but has not been directed ONLY at them. They, being the party "in power", does make them more apt to be targetted by discontent.

Please give me specific examples where republicans were spat on and threatened with violence while the democratic leadership egged them on from a balcony...

[CaptainHaplo]

"But FOX has learned that Cantor was one of about ten lawmakers who requested enhanced protection after a spate of threats. Most of the threats were directed at House Democrats who voted in favor of the health care reform bill over the weekend."

"A caller to the office of Rep. Jean Schmidt (R-OH) used profane language and intimated that he wished the Ohio Republican broke her back when she was hit by a car during a jogging accident last year."

Source:
http://theruthlesstruth.com/wordpres...-and-violence/

The bullet that was shot through Cantor's window has been deemed "random" and not a targetted act..... However - note that it states that MOST (but not all) threats were directed at democrats.

Are the only ones suggesting Violence the "extremist" right? Think again...

"Obama's critics keep blasting him for Chicago-style politics. So, fine. Channel your inner Al Capone and go gangsta against your foes. Let 'em know that if they aren't with you, they are against you, and will pay the price." - Roland Martin (Who happens to be CNN's Political Analyst)

Source: http://edition.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/...a.republicans/

or maybe you would rather just use "Chicago" politics and break a few kneecaps? As suggested by David Bourgeous:

"You've given it your best shot, you've tried numerous times to talk with the Republicans, to negotiate, to meet them halfway on every single matter before the American people. But they hate you for many reasons. It's time you break kneecaps." The bold is in the original - and the writer even posted a nice picture of a baseball bat to go with it...

Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-..._b_461873.html

While the first is "opinion" under editorials (though still by their political analyst) - the second was filed as a political story by a supposed "UNBIASED" newspaper...... At least CNN had the decency to make it clear that its article was opinion by a non-neutral party.

Are the threats equally distributed? No - but then with one group in power, you can't expect it to be. But to claim that the Dems are innocent in this fiasco - is being intentionally blind or intellectually dishonest. Not to mention, how repugnant is it that the Dems are now using these "threats" by a few wackos to try and raise money? I mean sheesh - have they gotten that desperate? Oh wait - apparently so......