Sales figures - Where?

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by lynx

If I was a manager of Ubi, I´d very nervous and worried after reading here, SH5 DRM, Global sales!!
"old this Spanish says: : he is of wise people to rectify(es de sabios rectificar)"

That's assuming a Ubi manager would even read this forum.

And even if he or she did, I don't think it would enable any changes

I can just imagine the conversation between the program manager and the Senior Management of Ubi.

Manager: I think we need to re-look at your decision for DRM, it might affect sales.

Senior Uber Vice President: And why do you think it would affect sales?

Manager: Uh I read some anonymous comments on an internet website.

SUVP:

CEO of Ubi: I hope you enjoy your promotion as the head program manager for Ubi operations on Pitcarn Island. Pack your bags.

Manager: But it is a pretty important internet website!

SUVP:

CEO:

[malkuth74]

Nothing personal but those numbers seem awfully low to me. I can't believe with sales like that they would even bother founding this game anymore.

Those numbers have to be off. When you sell a game for 40 dollar you guys are thinking wrong. Your think UBI gets all that money. Your wrong. You have the cost of making the boxes, DVDS, manuals, advetisments! Then you have the shops like Gamestop or wallmart. They don't sell a game for 40 dollars and give that money to UBI. They take a share of that money too.

So if you figure in 80K sold, and actual take in money of maybe 20 ( I read an acticle few years ago the estimate was more like 12-14 dollars for a 40 dollar game after all expenses of making the game, not including Develpment) Dollars if your lucky. Those sale numbers look like loses to me, and no way they would continue the franchise after SHIII with numbers like those.

Sorry.

Originally Posted by malkuth74

Nothing personal but those numbers seem awfully low to me. I can't believe with sales like that they would even bother founding this game anymore.

well how do we actually know how much they put into this game?


isnt it possible they already had all the stuff used for the game and just repackaged it wearing new clothes so to speak? sh5 may not have cost very much to make in terms of time or money, im just sayin

[Heretic]

Originally Posted by Webster

well how do we actually know how much they put into this game?


isnt it possible they already had all the stuff used for the game and just repackaged it wearing new clothes so to speak? sh5 may not have cost very much to make in terms of time or money, im just sayin

Certainly less than starting from scratch. The engine has years of development in it.

[malkuth74]

Yes but you guys are thinking that im just talking about SHV. The problem is that neal posted numbers going back to SHII. And they never sold over 100K titles in the US.

Can't be right. They might use the same engine. But they still have development cost to update it, pay the Developers a years salery etc. Then production cost, advertisments, forums, manuals. ETC.

It cost more then you guys think.

They have to be making money though, becuase they keep making the games. Thats why I don't think the numbers are any good.

[Hitman]

You know what i wonder?

What were the sales figures for UBM, and of that number, how many of those sales were made due to mods supporting only SH4 version 1.5. I know i've seen more then a couple of posts by people buying UBM who had no interest in uboats, but got the expansion anyway only so the could run the latest supermod. If the number is high enough, i think the SH4 modders deserve a free game as a pat on the back for supporting the series and generating sales. (yeah i know, self serving wishful thinking. )

If the free game is a DRM included SH5, then they can keep it for themselves, I resign

[Heretic]

Originally Posted by malkuth74

Yes but you guys are thinking that im just talking about SHV. The problem is that neal posted numbers going back to SHII. And they never sold over 100K titles in the US.

Can't be right. They might use the same engine. But they still have development cost to update it, pay the Developers a years salery etc. Then production cost, advertisments, forums, manuals. ETC.

It cost more then you guys think.

They have to be making money though, becuase they keep making the games. Thats why I don't think the numbers are any good.

Oh, I absolutely agree. I'm sure the budget for this game was similar to the average game. But if they had to start from scratch, the cost would have been doubled, at least. They couldn't even sell enough copies to break even, let alone make a profit. The only reason it is being made at all is it has a mature engine to build on.