RA and Alfa tau - A case for freespeach

[OneShot]

Originally Posted by goldorak

Forgive me if I'm being boneheaded, but wouldn't the classified part be in the database values. Can you qualify a low polygon 3d model classified ? Really ?
If they are so afraid, why don't they let the community make the 3d model/s with the different stations and then SCS would fill in the blanks interfacing the 3d model/stations with the navalsimengine. Win-win for everyone. The modders are not sued because they haven't actually modified anything and SCS is the only one to know how to "integrate" the models with the navalsimengine.

I've asked Jamie a similar question back when, the answer I got in regard to using community mods by SCS is basically a big legal issue. Even if the modders would sign a big bunch of papers saying that they forgo any rights and whatever on their mods and SCS can freely use all their work and so on it still would be a problem of sorts.

This issue was adressed when the first LwAmi was released before patch 1.03. One of the major problems back then was the lack of difference between VLADs and DIFARs ... LwAmi adressed this plus some other issues and we asked why SCS not simply uses Lwami for their next patch and puts in some improvements of their own. The aforementioned statement came from Jamie as response.

Bottom line (considering that statement) at the moment thus is that anything developed in the community can only be distributed by the community and while it might be official endorsed by SCS it cant be part of a patch for example.

As for porting over stuff from their military developments ... aside from classification issues is that the NSE has been branched off and the branch for goverment purposes has been continually developed further ... depending on how they did their coding this might pose a serious technical problem when converting or using fixes from one branch for the other. At least thats my guess.

[goldorak]

Originally Posted by OneShot

Bottom line (considering that statement) at the moment thus is that anything developed in the community can only be distributed by the community and while it might be official endorsed by SCS it cant be part of a patch for example.

that is so , even if they wanted to they couldn't possibly follow Lead Pursuit's example.

[MBot]

Originally Posted by OneShot

Bottom line (considering that statement) at the moment thus is that anything developed in the community can only be distributed by the community and while it might be official endorsed by SCS it cant be part of a patch for example.

Its a pitty. I submitted some weapon 3d models to Eagle Dynamics that were included in the Flaming Cliffs 1.11 patch and are now also in Black Shark as far as I know. I didn't sign anything, simply told them by e-mail "you can have them and do with them as you please". While this was only a very minor contribution, other community members have provided quite a significant amount of vehicle and aircraft models for Black Shark (for free). It's a win-win situation for the developer and the community.


The point about branching of the engine sounds pretty plausible.

[goldorak]

Any update on Sonalysts ?

[Linton]

Originally Posted by goldorak

Any update on Sonalysts ?

I think they are too busy counting their money at the moment to worry about DW:
http://archive.theday.com/store/itm....d69bfb&itm=art

[Bill Nichols]

Originally Posted by goldorak

Any update on Sonalysts ?

It takes a long time to write a legal brief, you know.
(Lawyers get paid by the hour...)

[goldorak]

Originally Posted by Bill Nichols

It takes a long time to write a legal brief, you know.
(Lawyers get paid by the hour...)

It has to be brief, right to the point, and non ambiguos.
Something along these lines,

Dear DW community,

Don't mod the game.

Sincerly, legal department, SCS.

Ok we will get their refusal in early 2009 :rotfl:

[Raptor_341]

Originally Posted by goldorak

It has to be brief, right to the point, and non ambiguos.
Something along these lines,

Dear DW community,

Don't mod the game.

Sincerly, legal department, SCS.

Ok we will get their refusal in early 2009 :rotfl:

> Not that it will stop modding anyways. If you need me ill be working my fix, ill PM when im done. Someone tell me when we can talk about mods again. thanks

[Bill Nichols]

Originally Posted by goldorak

It has to be brief, right to the point, and non ambiguos.
Something along these lines,

Dear DW community,

Don't mod the game.

Sincerly, legal department, SCS.

Ok we will get their refusal in early 2009 :rotfl:

That will be $7500. Please pay ASAP or late fees will incur.

[GrayOwl]

[/quote]

Originally Posted by Raptor_341

Not that it will stop modding anyways. If you need me ill be working my fix, ill PM when im done. Someone tell me when we can talk about mods again. thanks

obvious never.

[Raptor_341]

Greyowl, good to see you, i need to have a chat with you. ill PM

[Raptor_341]

wtf shore leave? what this thread feels like - oh dam, now a A-ganager?

[Castout]

Originally Posted by Raptor_341

Not that it will stop modding anyways. If you need me ill be working my fix, ill PM when im done. Someone tell me when we can talk about mods again. thanks

obvious never.[/quote]

Hey I haven't heard from you for a while. How are things going?

[goldorak]

Mr Neal Stevens, have you got any update on SCS regarding these mods ?

[LoBlo]

Originally Posted by Castout

I don't think they are going to be silent. Because they responded to Neal mediation and told him that they were going to have a meeting over it.

They can have the meeting... and decide to just leave it alone.

Its a plus plus for them. The military comes to them for official releases. The mod community generates interest and excitement in their commerical (nonmilitary) products.

Overall I think SCS underestimation of the important of a vigourous/innovative open mod community is a mistake. Sims like Microsoft Flight (an extremely complicated sim) have prospered 2nd to an active rigour mod community that continues to create lasting power/new interest in the software.