Sarah Palin - A closer look

[Skybird]

Welcome aboard, Son of Senna. Solid first posts of yours.

[McBeck]

Welcome aboard!

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[GlobalExplorer]

Originally Posted by Thomen

Reading yours and Skybirds really makes me wonder what they show on TV back in Good ol' Germany.

Is it you or us that is cocooned in their national media? I am tired of being lectured about the german media by people who will never have first hand experience of any foreign news sources - which I check on daily base - because for whatever reasons they lack the opportunity to acquire language skills.

I am not here to defend the european media but foremost the BBC but also our German and French news sources are of a very high standard though admittedly somewhat leftist in the case of Germany and especially France.

Originally Posted by Thomen

Do YOU know what the Bush doctrine is? There are at least 4 different incidents where the term was coined by THE media, not by the politicians.

Sure I could try to answer your question but I dont run for Vice President of the United States. Of course I don't disagree that the term leaves room for interpretation, but Palin didn't know what to say at all, and she is running for VP. She should have known that with her previous record the eyes would be on her to say something meaningful - like for instance what you just said - but not this "Charly..oh..Charly" chitchat.

Conclusion: She cannot handle situations when she didnt learn the answers by heart because she is an naive housewife with just barely above average intellect and ambition.

Originally Posted by Thomen

Where did she say that war against Russia is a viable option? She never said that.

(That was her 1ST interview by the way.)

Originally Posted by Thomen

She never met a head of state because she did not need to. How many foreign heads of state did Gerhard Schroeder or Angela Merkel meet before they got elected? Obama didn't meet any either before he traveled last year.

Honestly I dont know off the cuff about Schröder but Merkel had a lot of of that experience before she came to office (e.g. she visited G.W. Bush during her election campaign). Palins cunning remark that many previous VPs did not meet heads of state has already been proven WRONG, all of them had (well before you take me literally I guess that means after WWII).

Originally Posted by Thomen

Unlike in Germany, citizens of the US of A are NOT required to hold a passport or state issued ID, unless they plan to travel outside of the country. There is no federal law that forces the residents and citizens to carry an ID at all time. In Germany, you are required by law to carry an ID with you when you reach the age of 16. And just in case, you do not need a Passport to travel within North America. A Drivers License is good enough to enter Canada and re-enter the US. There was simply no reason for her to have one.

I know all that, but outside the US borders your laws dont apply any more. Already answered by other posts: She can not have been very interested in travelling outside the US without a passport. What a lousy preparation for what she wants to do, I probably travelled more than her in my life, and who am I?

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by GlobalExplorer

Is it you or us that is cocooned in their national media? I am tired of being lectured about the german media by people who will never have first hand experience of any foreign news sources - which I check on daily base - because for whatever reasons they lack the opportunity to acquire language skills.

It is the US and Germany, and for that sake probably all countries are cocooned in their media.

Furthermore, as a German I do have first hand experience with the media in Germany.

I am not here to defend the european media but foremost the BBC but also our German and French news sources are of a very high standard though admittedly somewhat leftist in the case of Germany and especially France.

I do agree with you, but they are still media and they do try sell their stories to the brought population.

Sure I could try to answer your question but I dont run for Vice President of the United States. Of course I don't disagree that the term leaves room for interpretation, but Palin didn't know what to say at all, and she is running for VP. She should have known that with her previous record the eyes would be on her to say something meaningful - like for instance what you just said - but not this "Charly..oh..Charly" chitchat.

You apparently watched the interview, did you notice that Palin was actually correct with her answer? Her answer was one of the 'Bush Doctrines', but Charly "Mr Teacher' Gibson choose to ignore the validity.

Conclusion: She cannot handle situations when she didnt learn the answers by heart because she is an naive housewife with just barely above average intellect and ambition.

See above

Lending help to an ally is not just defined as dropping bombs. She specifically said help and CNN left some stuff out.

She can not have been very interested in travelling outside the US without a passport. What a lousy preparation for what she wants to do, I probably travelled more than her in my life, and who am I?

So, tell me, why would you need a passport, if you can travel over the whole continent without one? Basing someones qualification partly on the fact that he/she did not hold a passport is a pretty ridiculous comment considering where you can go without the need to have one.

[GlobalExplorer]

Originally Posted by Thomen

Reading yours and Skybirds really makes me wonder what they show on TV back in Good ol' Germany.

Originally Posted by Thomen

Furthermore, as a German I do have first hand experience with the media in Germany.

Does not compute.

[Frame57]

Originally Posted by Thomen

You are wrong by the way as far as it family values and age of consent concerns.

What are they then....?

[August]

Originally Posted by GlobalExplorer

Does not compute.

My guess would be that he's a German living abroad.

[GlobalExplorer]

Originally Posted by August

My guess would be that he's a German living abroad.

I guess that's correct but I was not convinced if he is really still watching the German media or what else he meant with that "I wonder what they show .. " remark. Don't forget it's much easier to get American media in Germany than the other way round.

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by GlobalExplorer

Does not compute.

As I said before in a different thread.. I am German, living in the US

[GlobalExplorer]

Originally Posted by Thomen

You apparently watched the interview, did you notice that Palin was actually correct with her answer? Her answer was one of the 'Bush Doctrines', but Charly "Mr Teacher' Gibson choose to ignore the validity.

See above

I don't see why that should devaluate in any way my argument. You can not simply dismiss the fact that she embarasses herself in every interview, simply on the grounds that the interviewer was a moron (I don't care who or what Charly "Mr Teacher' Gibson is but he appeared the more informed of the two which was pathetic). As a vice president she must be able to handle situations, no one gives a damn about journalists.

But hang on, wasn't Charly Gibson also the one chosen to moderate the debate between McCain and Obama? In that case, am I wrong to assume that he must be one of the more respected journalists in the US and not just some moron? We also have such discussions in germany and they usually chose people who have a record of high integrity (though people on the extreme left/right will always disagree here).

Originally Posted by Thomen

Lending help to an ally is not just defined as dropping bombs. She specifically said help and CNN left some stuff out.

What she said in that interview was absolutely shocking, though I would not go as far as to say that she actually meant it that way. It was just another example of her not being able to give answers worthy of a statesperson if her repertoire of prepared answers runs out.

Basing someones qualification partly on the fact that he/she did not hold a passport is a pretty ridiculous comment considering where you can go without the need to have one.

But where did she go besides Alaska and Wanka County Kansas? And if the answer to that is, practically nowhere, is some experience in state / foreign affairs no more a requirement for one of the highest, most important offices in the world? What is whe going to do when she faces people like Putin, Zarkozy and Belusconi? Lecture them in her famous style, the way she did with the journalists? Is she intend on becoming the laughing stock of history?

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by GlobalExplorer

I guess that's correct but I was not convinced if he is really still watching the German media or what else he meant with that "I wonder what they show .. " remark. Don't forget it's much easier to get American media in Germany than the other way round.

Tell me about it.. and it is expansive too. If you want German TV, you have to pay extra.

[GlobalExplorer]

Originally Posted by Thomen

Tell me about it.. and it is expansive too. If you want German TV, you have to pay extra.

That's what I meant. I also spend time abroad and I know it's means practically bye bye german TV. And I enjoy the german media again every time I return from somewhere like Spain or South America or Asia. Imo there are only three countries in Europe with a real media culture which are UK, Germany and France. Worldwide, there's still the US / Canadian, there is Al Jazeera and I don't know about Japan and Australia, but all in all we are among the best.

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by GlobalExplorer

I don't see why that should devaluate in any way my argument. You can not simply dismiss the fact that she embarasses herself in every interview, simply on the grounds that the interviewer was a moron (I don't care who or what Charly "Mr Teacher' Gibson is but he appeared the more informed of the two which was pathetic). As a vice president she must be able to handle situations, no one gives a damn about journalists.

She had a 1 in 4 chance of hitting the right one. Hell, if you would have googled the term right after or before the interview you would have not been able to find a definitive answer to it either.

But hang on, wasn't Charly Gibson also the one chosen to moderate the debate between McCain and Obama? In that case, am I wrong to assume that he must be one of the more respected journalists in the US and not just some moron? We also have such discussions in germany and they usually chose people who have a record of high integrity (though people on the extreme left/right will always disagree here).

Some guy from PBS named Lehrer, I think, held the debate. No idea if Gibson was originally chosen.

What she said in that interview was absolutely shocking, though I would not go as far as to say that she actually meant it that way. It was just another example of her not being able to give answers worthy of a statesperson if her repertoire of prepared answers runs out.

What exactly was shocking? That she is willing to lend help to an ally in the case it is needed? I thought that is the purpose of an alliance. Germany is lending help and troops to the NATO in Afghanistan without active combat participation on their part.

But where did she go besides Alaska and Wanka County Kansas? And if the answer to that is, practically nowhere, is some experience in state / foreign affairs no more a requirement for one of the highest, most important offices in the world? What is whe going to do when she faces people like Putin, Zarkozy and Belusconi? Lecture them in her famous style, the way she did with the journalists? Is she intend on becoming the laughing stock of history?

Where exactly was her need to travel anywhere besides inside the USA for meetings and conventions? As a Mayor and Governor, she had no need to travel and meet foreign heads of state's. Obama did not travel either and met heads of state before his tour last year, which was precisely for the purpose of shutting up critics about his track record regarding travels and meeting people.
Your assumption is based on that she wanted the VP job and worked towards attaining it. From what I had heard here, she did not do that, and was rather chosen to appease the party and the voters for whatever reasons that may be.

I don't think that Bill Clinton met any in his time as Governor on official business either. And he ran for President.

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by GlobalExplorer

That's what I meant. I also spend time abroad and I know it's means practically bye bye german TV. And I enjoy the german media again every time I return from somewhere like Spain or South America or Asia. Imo there are only three countries in Europe with a real media culture which are UK, Germany and France. Worldwide, there's still the US / Canadian, there is Al Jazeera and I don't know about Japan and Australia, but all in all we are among the best.

I agree. =) Luckily there are ways around of not being able to watch your favorite TV shows.

[August]

Originally Posted by GlobalExplorer

But where did she go besides Alaska and Wanka County Kansas? And if the answer to that is, practically nowhere, is some experience in state / foreign affairs no more a requirement for one of the highest, most important offices in the world? What is whe going to do when she faces people like Putin, Zarkozy and Belusconi? Lecture them in her famous style, the way she did with the journalists? Is she intend on becoming the laughing stock of history?

It never has been that important in the past. Take Harry Truman for example. Except for a stint in the Army during WW1 he never left the country but that didn't stop him from being able to deal with foreign potentates quite effectively when he had to.