Hospital ships: Have you ever been tempted... - Page 4

Jimbuna · 05-19-14, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Rammstein0991

Depending on the loss of life I figure hanging would also be a consideration wouldn't it?

Oh yes, most definitely worthy of being classified as a war crime.

Sailor Steve · 05-19-14, 08:37 AM

Which is the bigger crime: Sinking a hospital ship or responding to a six-year-old thread?

Rammstein0991 · 05-19-14, 08:12 PM

Just means its a good'un

Redbear · 07-07-14, 03:47 PM

I'd never consider it. Remember that it is just as likely that the ship carries our fellow countrymen and/or allies as our enemies. Not to mention it is just plain wrong (did anyone say war criminal?)

Rammstein0991 · 07-28-14, 10:25 PM

I may have mentioned an all expenses paid "vacation" to Nuremburg...

Otto Fuhrmann · 08-02-14, 06:54 AM

I will admit that I sank one out of pure frustration once. It was a convoy attack gone bad, then to worse. It turned out to be a primarily neutral convoy, with Vichy French, Portuguese and Swedish ships, with a French escort and one British hospital ship.
It was so dark all I could see was darkened ships and one brightly lit British hospital ship, and with the escort, I assumed it was a British convoy.
I had to get closer and closer to make anything out, until I saw so close that I saw they were all flying neutral colours. I was then angry for having wasted my time and fuel on the pointless hunt. Without realising I stupidly got to close and had a near miss with a French Merchant that slight damaged my hull and at this point I was throwing my keyboard and mouse around cursing the French!

So I sank the Hospital ship in a rage, only to feel terrible and I had to reload with the loss of half my patrol.....
Not my brightest moment..

BigWalleye · 08-02-14, 10:58 AM

Mush Morton may have been denied the CMH because of his attack on Japanese sailors (and BE prisoners, who he didn't know were there) in the water after a sinking. There was evidence that the lifeboats fired small arms first and an inquiry exonerated Morton, but the incident affected the reputation of a brave and resourceful leader.

It is doubtful that a government run by the NSDAP would react as sharply, and if your persona is a committed Nazi, you have to make your own choices. But a number of U-boat skippers were actually cautioned for endangering their boats to rescue survivors. So an historical case can be made for showing humanity, let alone avoiding atrocity, even in the middle of war.

Riccardo1975 · 08-13-14, 09:17 AM

Had two pass me in 1941 heading West just NW of Londonderry then a single contact yesterday between Halifax and Boston, 3rd of May 1942.

Thought about sinking it for the 12000 tonnes, after being hammered by Hurribombers all patrol, then felt guilty all the way to Halifax.

Bet you get a right telling off from BdU for putting one of those under the waves....

Any other ships off limits that anyone's seen in GWX?

Rich

Nobon · 08-23-14, 12:03 AM

Just exactly the place Riccardo saw two, NW of Londonderry, I spot two lonely hospital ships travelling together. 1940 juny...

Saw them from a good 15k plus distance first, so I ID-d them as some kind of troops ships. Calculated an engage route, and went way before them. Set the trap with a diagonal approach, and waited for them... Because of the angle, I doesnt saw the red cross at all. Id-d them 100% positive as "Large cargo/troop ship" or what that type is, calculated their speed two times,
(painstaking method, via no contact update / geometry on the map, timing, nomograph...) and set up four torpedo.

1500 meter distance, a few minutes til' zero degree.

Only -Then- I saw the red cross...

I was a tad angry ^^ spent two hours of precious gameplay, to perfectly set up the attack...

Well, just for a tryout, I shot the four torpedoes.

Two for each, one magnetic, one impact, with corresponding depths. (still set up for the Troop ship, but the only difference is the red cross, so..)

Well, I missed the second craft, shot before its bow like 20 meters... O_o (still trying to calculate what I did wrong) but as for the first ship, it was a perfect hit. Magnetic hit first, then on almost the same spot, the impact.

SHe's going down. After the "going down" the ship was still afloat for more than ten minutes... Sank very slowly AFTER its death XD

Well, this only happened in "theory", as I doesnt saved this. Im going to leave them alone of course, for the sake of any RPG vein left in me, and for the sake of humanity. But I needed the experiment, that how a large troops ship tolerates a well placed combo.

Edit:
Actually, I realised one thing: The red crosses are only visible from an angle, very close to 90°...
And damn I never see them fly a white flag.

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05-19-14, 08:37 AM	#47
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Which is the bigger crime: Sinking a hospital ship or responding to a six-year-old thread? __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

08-13-14, 09:17 AM	#53
Riccardo1975 Gunner Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Gulf of Aden dodging Catalinas. Posts: 93 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Hospital Ships Had two pass me in 1941 heading West just NW of Londonderry then a single contact yesterday between Halifax and Boston, 3rd of May 1942. Thought about sinking it for the 12000 tonnes, after being hammered by Hurribombers all patrol, then felt guilty all the way to Halifax. Bet you get a right telling off from BdU for putting one of those under the waves.... Any other ships off limits that anyone's seen in GWX? Rich

08-23-14, 12:03 AM	#54
Nobon Helmsman Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: 1939-09-13. U-50 ran into a 10+ ship british convoy- I'm planning the approach Posts: 103 Downloads: 75 Uploads: 2	Second that Just exactly the place Riccardo saw two, NW of Londonderry, I spot two lonely hospital ships travelling together. 1940 juny... Saw them from a good 15k plus distance first, so I ID-d them as some kind of troops ships. Calculated an engage route, and went way before them. Set the trap with a diagonal approach, and waited for them... Because of the angle, I doesnt saw the red cross at all. Id-d them 100% positive as "Large cargo/troop ship" or what that type is, calculated their speed two times, (painstaking method, via no contact update / geometry on the map, timing, nomograph...) and set up four torpedo. 1500 meter distance, a few minutes til' zero degree. Only -Then- I saw the red cross... I was a tad angry ^^ spent two hours of precious gameplay, to perfectly set up the attack... Well, just for a tryout, I shot the four torpedoes. Two for each, one magnetic, one impact, with corresponding depths. (still set up for the Troop ship, but the only difference is the red cross, so..) Well, I missed the second craft, shot before its bow like 20 meters... O_o (still trying to calculate what I did wrong) but as for the first ship, it was a perfect hit. Magnetic hit first, then on almost the same spot, the impact. SHe's going down. After the "going down" the ship was still afloat for more than ten minutes... Sank very slowly AFTER its death XD Well, this only happened in "theory", as I doesnt saved this. Im going to leave them alone of course, for the sake of any RPG vein left in me, and for the sake of humanity. But I needed the experiment, that how a large troops ship tolerates a well placed combo. Edit: Actually, I realised one thing: The red crosses are only visible from an angle, very close to 90°... And damn I never see them fly a white flag. \| + \| __________________ Oberleutnant z. s. Daniel Wolf 87% realism (100%-Cams to watch burning targets, and torpedoes run for fun..) SH5 The Wolves of Steel Megamod- Realnav+Full manual targeting. -no contact updates, no map help. U-50 forever - still a Smiling bastard Last edited by Nobon; 08-23-14 at 06:24 AM.

05-19-14, 08:12 PM	#48
Rammstein0991 Engineer Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: NC USA Posts: 219 Downloads: 164 Uploads: 0	Just means its a good'un

07-07-14, 03:47 PM	#49
Redbear Engineer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 208 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	I'd never consider it. Remember that it is just as likely that the ship carries our fellow countrymen and/or allies as our enemies. Not to mention it is just plain wrong (did anyone say war criminal?)

07-28-14, 10:25 PM	#50
Rammstein0991 Engineer Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: NC USA Posts: 219 Downloads: 164 Uploads: 0	I may have mentioned an all expenses paid "vacation" to Nuremburg...

08-02-14, 06:54 AM	#51
Otto Fuhrmann Helmsman Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Ireland Posts: 109 Downloads: 57 Uploads: 0	I will admit that I sank one out of pure frustration once. It was a convoy attack gone bad, then to worse. It turned out to be a primarily neutral convoy, with Vichy French, Portuguese and Swedish ships, with a French escort and one British hospital ship. It was so dark all I could see was darkened ships and one brightly lit British hospital ship, and with the escort, I assumed it was a British convoy. I had to get closer and closer to make anything out, until I saw so close that I saw they were all flying neutral colours. I was then angry for having wasted my time and fuel on the pointless hunt. Without realising I stupidly got to close and had a near miss with a French Merchant that slight damaged my hull and at this point I was throwing my keyboard and mouse around cursing the French! So I sank the Hospital ship in a rage, only to feel terrible and I had to reload with the loss of half my patrol..... Not my brightest moment..

08-02-14, 10:58 AM	#52
BigWalleye Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: On the Eye-lond, mon! Posts: 1,987 Downloads: 465 Uploads: 0	Mush Morton may have been denied the CMH because of his attack on Japanese sailors (and BE prisoners, who he didn't know were there) in the water after a sinking. There was evidence that the lifeboats fired small arms first and an inquiry exonerated Morton, but the incident affected the reputation of a brave and resourceful leader. It is doubtful that a government run by the NSDAP would react as sharply, and if your persona is a committed Nazi, you have to make your own choices. But a number of U-boat skippers were actually cautioned for endangering their boats to rescue survivors. So an historical case can be made for showing humanity, let alone avoiding atrocity, even in the middle of war.