I wonder if we really only have two engines - Page 4

Weather-guesser · 12-07-07, 04:33 PM

Outstanding Tater! Three cheers for hopeful functionality! HIP HIP..

tater · 12-08-07, 01:21 AM

Still plugging away.

Anyone familiar with the UPC files? Another option that occured to me is to decrease the repair time for the diesels. This would allow overwhelming damage to get them to 100% (irreparable), but lesser damage would be quickly fixed.

Again, the goal is that it should be nearly impossible to kill of all the diesels on a fleet boat since such a casualty in SH4 is career ending.

Ducimus · 12-08-07, 01:30 AM

This i think:

\sh4\Data\UPCData\UPCUnitsData\Equipment.upc

Code:

[Equipment 5]
ID=GatoDieselEngine
NameDisplayable= Diesel Engine
FunctionalType= EqFTypeEngineDiesel
EquipmentInterval= NULL, NULL
EquipmentSlotType=GatoDEngine
ExternalLinkName3D= NULL
Hitpoints= 100
;DamageDescription1= Taken_DamageType, MinDamage, MaxDamage, MinMaintenance, MaxMaintenance, chancefactor, Message, Spawned_damage_HP, Spawned_damage_AP, Spawned_Damage_Type, EfficiencyReduction, repair_skill, repairtime_in_hours 
DamageDescription1= NULL,	0,	0.2,	0,	1,	1,	small malfunction,		0,	0,	NULL,	0.3,	0.4,	4
DamageDescription2= NULL,	0.2,	0.6,	0,	1,	1,	Misaligned Axis,		0,	0,	NULL, 	0.5,	0.4,	10
DamageDescription3= NULL,	0.6,	1,	0,	1,	1,	fuse blown,			0,	0,	NULL,	1,	0.2,	15

Peto · 12-08-07, 01:38 AM

Interesting. I notice that a lot of items listed at the end have no associated values. I wonder if any of those actually function in-game :hmm:.

I'm just dropping ideas here--I'm still working on some other sensor ideas atm.

ref · 12-08-07, 11:11 AM

Can someone with more experience on the subject test this?

http://rapidshare.com/files/75177250...es_DM.rar.html

I've added two new entries for the missing engines in zones.cfg (211 and 212), decreased a bit the size of the DM boxes in the zon files from the subs and added DM boxes for the missing engines, also linked them on each subs upc file.
Regretably I can't test it now, I'm too busy with the upcoming GWX release, I even coudn't test it in game, but the files are ok (in theory

)
The extra entries in zones.cfg are copies of the original diesel engines entries.

Ref

12-08-07, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducimus

This i think:

\sh4\Data\UPCData\UPCUnitsData\Equipment.upc

Code:

[Equipment 5]
ID=GatoDieselEngine
NameDisplayable= Diesel Engine
FunctionalType= EqFTypeEngineDiesel
EquipmentInterval= NULL, NULL
EquipmentSlotType=GatoDEngine
ExternalLinkName3D= NULL
Hitpoints= 100
;DamageDescription1= Taken_DamageType, MinDamage, MaxDamage, MinMaintenance, MaxMaintenance, chancefactor, Message, Spawned_damage_HP, Spawned_damage_AP, Spawned_Damage_Type, EfficiencyReduction, repair_skill, repairtime_in_hours 
DamageDescription1= NULL,    0,    0.2,    0,    1,    1,    small malfunction,        0,    0,    NULL,    0.3,    0.4,    4
DamageDescription2= NULL,    0.2,    0.6,    0,    1,    1,    Misaligned Axis,        0,    0,    NULL,     0.5,    0.4,    10
DamageDescription3= NULL,    0.6,    1,    0,    1,    1,    fuse blown,            0,    0,    NULL,    1,    0.2,    15

Ducimus, as far as I know most of the equipment.upc file does absolutely nothing. It was a planned part to have equipment breakdowns, but was never implemented. The section that affects repair times is here in the sub *.upc files. For example (in yellow):

[UserPlayerUnit 1.Compartment 2]
CompartmentType= 1
StatusActive= Yes
ID= GatoEnginesRoom
NameDisplayable= Engine Rooms
Type=NULL
FunctionalType= PropulsionRoom
MechanicalCoef= 0.6 ;0..1
ElectricsCoef= 0.4 ;0..1
GunsCoef= 0 ;0..1
WatchmanCoef= 0 ;0..1
WatchStandingCoef= 0.02
MaintenanceCoef= 0.001
RepairsCoef= 0.022
ReloadingweaponCoef= 0.072
SleepCoef= -0.12
LeadersSlots=3
CrewMembersSlots= 15
EffciencyDenominator=5
EffciencyDenominatorBS=10
Hitpoints=200
CrewExposure=0.1
EquipmentsExposure=0.99
WeaponsExposure=0.1
ExternalDamageZoneTypeID3D= 201
DamageDescription1= NULL, 0, 0.2, 0, 1, 1, Minor Leak, 0, 0, NULL, 0, 0.2, 0.2
DamageDescription2= NULL, 0.2, 0.6, 0, 1, 1, Large hole, 0, 0, NULL, 0, 0.2, 0.5
DamageDescription3= NULL, 0.6, 1, 0, 1, 1, Wall breached, 0, 0, NULL, 0, 0.2, 1

tater · 12-08-07, 12:00 PM

ref, I'll have a look in a little while.

tater

12-08-07, 12:06 PM

Ref, not good. Crashed my computer. Wouldn't work.

tater · 12-08-07, 12:15 PM

BTW, as I ponted out above someplace (I think), in Zones.cfg there are 2 diesel engines. Both have "Father=29" but the submarine .zon files point at Father=201 (FltEngineRoom).

None the less the 1 and 2 engines take damage regardless (I tried setting the Zones to change Father=201 for the diesels and it works either way).

Is Zones universally used, or is much of it leftover sh3 stuff that is defunct?

Brenjen · 12-08-07, 12:19 PM

Complete & functional engines & engine control is the #1 glaring problem with SH4 from my point of view & I had hoped that Ubi would get it right in 1.4; a lot of the other stuff is minor imho. I figure it this way, if I....a submarine game/history novice for the most part can see how horrible this aspect is & has been then why wasn't it corrected? It makes me think they either A: couldn't fix it without a major rework or B: figured "screw it, let the modders fix it"

Proposition "A" would be a major problem, but "B" would mean the ground work is there & only needs to be figured out....is there any way to ask the devs about the engines specifically & get a straight answer?

tater · 12-08-07, 01:49 PM

There is an out of range number in the gato zon, ref. S3D crashes on it.

All the others open. Will test with a non-gato.

tater · 12-08-07, 02:01 PM

They take damage fine (non-gato). Now I'm gonna make a copy of this and mod the Zones file so that 3 of the 4 engines die if you look at them funny, and #3 or 4 stays intact. Then I will surface and see if it runs the boat.

tater

ref · 12-08-07, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nvdrifter

Ref, not good. Crashed my computer. Wouldn't work.

I'll recheck the changes as soon as I have some time.

Ref

ref · 12-08-07, 02:11 PM

Found the problem, I cut some bytes I shoudn't....

Here's the correct one:

http://rapidshare.com/files/75216582...DM_v1.rar.html

Ref

tater · 12-08-07, 02:16 PM

They take damage, but 3 and 4 are not functional.

IMO, adding them as damagable is a mistake if they don't propel the boat, since it will take damage control resources to fix them to no avail.

I can't seem to find how they are "hooked" to the boat as functional systems. Seems like whatever files mess withthis might also be useful for battery charging issues.

tater

12-07-07, 04:33 PM	#46
Weather-guesser Lieutenant Join Date: May 2007 Location: Albany, New York USA Posts: 260 Downloads: 72 Uploads: 0	Outstanding Tater! Three cheers for hopeful functionality! HIP HIP.. __________________ NAVY! It's not just a job. It's a Buck Seventy-Five an hour!

12-08-07, 01:38 AM	#49
Peto Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The details of my life are quite inconsequential Posts: 1,049 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Interesting. I notice that a lot of items listed at the end have no associated values. I wonder if any of those actually function in-game :hmm:. I'm just dropping ideas here--I'm still working on some other sensor ideas atm. __________________ If your target has a 30 degree AOB, the range from his base course line equals the current range divided by 2.

12-08-07, 11:11 AM	#50
ref Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Mar del Plata, Argentina Posts: 871 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Can someone with more experience on the subject test this? http://rapidshare.com/files/75177250...es_DM.rar.html I've added two new entries for the missing engines in zones.cfg (211 and 212), decreased a bit the size of the DM boxes in the zon files from the subs and added DM boxes for the missing engines, also linked them on each subs upc file. Regretably I can't test it now, I'm too busy with the upcoming GWX release, I even coudn't test it in game, but the files are ok (in theory ) The extra entries in zones.cfg are copies of the original diesel engines entries. Ref __________________

12-08-07, 02:11 PM	#59
ref Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Mar del Plata, Argentina Posts: 871 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Found the problem, I cut some bytes I shoudn't.... Here's the correct one: http://rapidshare.com/files/75216582...DM_v1.rar.html Ref __________________

12-08-07, 01:21 AM	#47
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Still plugging away. Anyone familiar with the UPC files? Another option that occured to me is to decrease the repair time for the diesels. This would allow overwhelming damage to get them to 100% (irreparable), but lesser damage would be quickly fixed. Again, the goal is that it should be nearly impossible to kill of all the diesels on a fleet boat since such a casualty in SH4 is career ending.

12-08-07, 12:00 PM	#52
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	ref, I'll have a look in a little while. tater

12-08-07, 12:06 PM	#53
nvdrifter Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Ref, not good. Crashed my computer. Wouldn't work.

12-08-07, 12:15 PM	#54
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	BTW, as I ponted out above someplace (I think), in Zones.cfg there are 2 diesel engines. Both have "Father=29" but the submarine .zon files point at Father=201 (FltEngineRoom). None the less the 1 and 2 engines take damage regardless (I tried setting the Zones to change Father=201 for the diesels and it works either way). Is Zones universally used, or is much of it leftover sh3 stuff that is defunct?

12-08-07, 12:19 PM	#55
Brenjen Machinist's Mate Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: I live in The U.S. South Posts: 127 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	Complete & functional engines & engine control is the #1 glaring problem with SH4 from my point of view & I had hoped that Ubi would get it right in 1.4; a lot of the other stuff is minor imho. I figure it this way, if I....a submarine game/history novice for the most part can see how horrible this aspect is & has been then why wasn't it corrected? It makes me think they either A: couldn't fix it without a major rework or B: figured "screw it, let the modders fix it" Proposition "A" would be a major problem, but "B" would mean the ground work is there & only needs to be figured out....is there any way to ask the devs about the engines specifically & get a straight answer?

12-08-07, 01:49 PM	#56
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	There is an out of range number in the gato zon, ref. S3D crashes on it. All the others open. Will test with a non-gato.

12-08-07, 02:01 PM	#57
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	They take damage fine (non-gato). Now I'm gonna make a copy of this and mod the Zones file so that 3 of the 4 engines die if you look at them funny, and #3 or 4 stays intact. Then I will surface and see if it runs the boat. tater

12-08-07, 02:16 PM	#60
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	They take damage, but 3 and 4 are not functional. IMO, adding them as damagable is a mistake if they don't propel the boat, since it will take damage control resources to fix them to no avail. I can't seem to find how they are "hooked" to the boat as functional systems. Seems like whatever files mess withthis might also be useful for battery charging issues. tater