dubbya bush you really know how to support war vets... - Page 4

Onkel Neal · 11-19-07, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by reallydedpoet

I am no Bush lover, but is Neal looking into this one too elite hunter :hmm:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...24&postcount=6

RDP

Yep, that's not the kind of tone we want here. Let's remember to discuss these issues on a higher plane.

ReallyDedPoet · 11-19-07, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

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Originally Posted by reallydedpoet

I am no Bush lover, but is Neal looking into this one too elite hunter :hmm:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...24&postcount=6

RDP

Yep, that's not the kind of tone we want here. Let's remember to discuss these issues on a higher plane.

Thanks for the response Neal

As mentioned, that post by elite hunter takes it to far.

RDP

elite_hunter_sh3 · 11-19-07, 10:02 PM

is jail good enough then?? or do we let him off scot free... ??

Ducimus · 11-19-07, 10:52 PM

In response to photo's, one word:

"PhotoOp".

He's there to get his picture taken because its good politics, and for no other reason.

The reality is, once you've done your service, and exit it, regardless if you come out with all fingers, toes, arms, skin, etc you came in with or not - once their done with you, they are REALLY done with you. The goverment really, and truly, does not give two s**ts. The VA might give something resembeling a s**t, but the overall goverment? You get a pat on the back, a boot in the ass, and then your out with yesterdays garbage.

bookworm_020 · 11-19-07, 11:51 PM

It's intresting to see what is being said on this forum. Was Iraq is such a mess before U.S. & co. invaded? Yes and no, Yes, there was alot of bloodshead going on behind the scenes, Attacks on the Kurds, destuction of the lands of the Marsh Arabs, the usual despotic actions of a tyrant and his cronies. No, there was some degree of being able to walk down the streets safely (as you as you hadn't upset the "government") ther was a form of government and order (of sorts). It wasn't pretty before the invasion, it isn't much better (or worse, depending on your view point)

The reasons given to go and get rid of Saddam have already been discussed and the weakness of the said reasons is clear.

Can Iraq be a united country again? That's one we have to all wait and see.

If your worried about how America has handled Iraq, then Australia isn't much better. We used the same reasons as the U.S. and have been part of it from the begining (on a small scale). Has it caused problems for Australia, Yes, the military is streched as it has been deployed to many different areas (Afganistain, Iraq, East Timor, Solomans, Indoenesia tusami releif, Boganville and half a dozen UN Peace keeping missions) People are divided, should we stay or should we go and add into it an upcoming election, 24th of November, it isn't going to go away.

What ever happens, don't blame the troops who serve there for the problems. They are just doing what they are ordered to do. It's the politicians who have to take the blame as well as the responibility for what has happened

Ducimus · 11-20-07, 05:25 PM

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What ever happens, don't blame the troops who serve there for the problems. They are just doing what they are ordered to do. It's the politicians who have to take the blame as well as the responibility for what has happened

The trooops, are people who had the courage to follow their convictions. They volunteered to do, what they saw, was the right thing to do, for the greater good. They do not make the polcies or decisions, but it is left to them to enact those policies or decisions, in blind faith and trust in their nations elected leadership. It is the elected politicians duty, to not betray or abuse that trust.

Skybird · 11-20-07, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

They do not make the polcies or decisions, but it is left to them to enact those policies or decisions, in blind faith and trust in their nations elected leadership.

Blind faith...??? - Oh-oh.

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It is the elected politicians duty, to not betray or abuse that trust.

Exactly. And this is were the administration has failed so totally and miserably. this is the level were my disgust for Bush and gang is rooting at.they did not only betray the members of the armed forces. They betrayed their whole people.
Spit.

Ducimus · 11-20-07, 08:25 PM

>>Blind faith...??? - Oh-oh.

Some are more blind then others. But not all are blind, and "I was just following orders" where war crimes (at the individual level) are concerned is never an excuse.

Tchocky · 11-20-07, 08:31 PM

Recently been reading a lot of Army Of Dude, a returning soldiers blog.

armyofdude.blogspot.com

11-20-07, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

Recently been reading a lot of Army Of Dude, a returning soldiers blog.

armyofdude.blogspot.com

Isn't this the guy who reported for the AP under a pseudonym and was discredited for his reports?

Peto · 11-20-07, 09:00 PM

Ducimus: Your mind works as well as your mods.

Ducimus · 11-20-07, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by waste gate

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

Recently been reading a lot of Army Of Dude, a returning soldiers blog.

armyofdude.blogspot.com

Isn't this the guy who reported for the AP under a pseudonym and was discredited for his reports?

*shrug* Don't know. Ive read a bit of his blog. Certain bits and pieces of it i can relate to in some fashion such as this entry:

http://armyofdude.blogspot.com/2007/...-part-two.html

Most of it i can't, because i wasn't there, and he does tend to get a little too poltical, but i can't say i blame him. I do know that most hardline rightwingers hate this guy with a passion. My guess is because he's a troop that doesn't support their views. Since "the troops" are a card played by the right wingers full hilt, it's no surprise they go after him with gusto. Since i write this from the perspective of a left winger, i guess it bears mentioning that i don't take sides with either, and don't like the barnyard antics of donkeys, nor the circus acts of dumbo.

Tchocky · 11-21-07, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by waste gate

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Recently been reading a lot of Army Of Dude, a returning soldiers blog.

armyofdude.blogspot.com

Isn't this the guy who reported for the AP under a pseudonym and was discredited for his reports?

I haven't found anything on that, and it's not mentioned on the blog. Can you link?

Iceman · 11-22-07, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

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Originally Posted by Iceman

Curious how "elite_hunter_sh3" remarks have ceased...Thank God.

o really.... and how did you know i magically could not post replies or start new topics??? dont worry, i mentioned your post to neal, hes looking into it...

Dude...ehh forget it lol.

I am really a computer hacker and can see all your computers and every keystroke you all make so watch out...

crack kills ya know

11-19-07, 11:51 PM	#50
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	It's intresting to see what is being said on this forum. Was Iraq is such a mess before U.S. & co. invaded? Yes and no, Yes, there was alot of bloodshead going on behind the scenes, Attacks on the Kurds, destuction of the lands of the Marsh Arabs, the usual despotic actions of a tyrant and his cronies. No, there was some degree of being able to walk down the streets safely (as you as you hadn't upset the "government") ther was a form of government and order (of sorts). It wasn't pretty before the invasion, it isn't much better (or worse, depending on your view point) The reasons given to go and get rid of Saddam have already been discussed and the weakness of the said reasons is clear. Can Iraq be a united country again? That's one we have to all wait and see. If your worried about how America has handled Iraq, then Australia isn't much better. We used the same reasons as the U.S. and have been part of it from the begining (on a small scale). Has it caused problems for Australia, Yes, the military is streched as it has been deployed to many different areas (Afganistain, Iraq, East Timor, Solomans, Indoenesia tusami releif, Boganville and half a dozen UN Peace keeping missions) People are divided, should we stay or should we go and add into it an upcoming election, 24th of November, it isn't going to go away. What ever happens, don't blame the troops who serve there for the problems. They are just doing what they are ordered to do. It's the politicians who have to take the blame as well as the responibility for what has happened __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

11-20-07, 08:31 PM	#54
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Recently been reading a lot of Army Of Dude, a returning soldiers blog. armyofdude.blogspot.com __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

11-20-07, 09:00 PM	#56
Peto Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The details of my life are quite inconsequential Posts: 1,049 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Ducimus: Your mind works as well as your mods. __________________ If your target has a 30 degree AOB, the range from his base course line equals the current range divided by 2.

11-19-07, 10:02 PM	#48
elite_hunter_sh3 The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,376 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	is jail good enough then?? or do we let him off scot free... ??

11-19-07, 10:52 PM	#49
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	In response to photo's, one word: "PhotoOp". He's there to get his picture taken because its good politics, and for no other reason. The reality is, once you've done your service, and exit it, regardless if you come out with all fingers, toes, arms, skin, etc you came in with or not - once their done with you, they are REALLY done with you. The goverment really, and truly, does not give two sts. The VA might give something resembeling a st, but the overall goverment? You get a pat on the back, a boot in the ass, and then your out with yesterdays garbage.

11-20-07, 08:25 PM	#53
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	>>Blind faith...??? - Oh-oh. Some are more blind then others. But not all are blind, and "I was just following orders" where war crimes (at the individual level) are concerned is never an excuse.