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Skybird · 09-21-07, 12:31 PM

On a nother note, it seems that the apparent believe that tasers are harmless (now that is very intensely debated, isn't it) leads to a lowering of the inhibition level (treshold?) to use this painful but "harmless" weapon more easily. I just searched
- youtube,
- google,
- CNN archive,
- NBC archic,
- the NYT and
- the WP for taser incidents -
and was stunned by the ammount of incidents were they got used negligent and in the most absurd and even dangerous contexts. A real "Verrohung der Sitten" (= "brutalization of customs and traditions"), imho.

Tasering an old women sitting in a wheel chair, to prevent her rolling away (she later died). Tasering a five year old child. Tasering a pregnant woman (in Scotland they have banned that use on pregnat women due to serious health risks of the baby). Tasering a diabetes patient who had a shock, in order to make him lay still so that he could be treated - the policeman said. Tasering a female student wh0o was in handcuffs and laid still on the ground, already had given up, a new patrol arrived, passed thoruzgh the collegaues, and fird a tazer, using it wor close to a minute watching her rolling and crying. And so many more examples of absurd, ridiculous abuse of tasers, and so damn oftehn agaisnt victims that were innocent, or were suspected of bagatelle issues. So many reports, videos on incidents that you will not believe it. On TV news this evening they referred to a new incident where a women was tasered two minutes by an obvious sadist officer and was lead around her car like a dog several time, she was totally horrified by the pain and cried for mercy which was denied (the man was suspended). and so many other incidents that show a really horrifying easiness by which tasers seem to get used by the police. Not as a weapon to disarm a danergiuzr person, but just to make their job easier. They even get used without reason in more and more cases it seems to me, just as part of the procedure, even if their is no hint that somethijng bad could happen. The ammount of abuses seems to be extremely high.

I admit that on the grounds of legal self-defense I would reserve the right to use force against such officers being so easy and excessive with tasers, if they would threaten me with them on such bagatelle incidents. Leaves a bad taste of wild, wild West in my mouth. Well, no intention to go there anyway...

It does not really improve america's already rough reputation in the world. One is also tempted to wonder oif maybe more hidden sadists are abusing the uniform than we, or better: you, may feel comfortable with. Sorry, but the question is justified in the face of so high numbers of incidents. Also one must examine in what ratio the widespread belief that tazers are always safe for health (50.000 to 190.000, even 300.000 V not having consequences...???) lowers inhibition tresholds to use them. My impression is: very massively, else the use of tasers by routine wouldn'T have become part of police culture so very quickly. Finally one must remark that critics claim tasers beeing responsible for the death of several dozen people per year.

Heibges · 09-21-07, 01:56 PM

Jeez Louise! I remember seeing Tim Leary debate G. Gordon Liddy, and nobody got tasered there. Not even pepper sprayed.

Were the police real police or campus security?

sunvalleyslim · 09-21-07, 05:22 PM

Avon Lady, The Adventures of Taser Boy is right on the mark. Mr. Dunphy puts it in better words than myself. The right actions were done for the right reasons. If you can't figure that out, then I know why you're not a police officer. And you know absolutely nothing about how to do police work. Having been in the position of those officers myself many times, it always looks easier when standing back observing. You only understand when you're the officer rolling on the ground, and everyone wants you to handle the "problem". Then they stand back and criticise about the way you went about it.
I have problems with the way this started and don't know who decided to grab this individual. I will agree with you that this didn't seem necessary. Verbalization should have started first. BUT after that all responsibility for everythingt rests on Mr. Tazer Boy.

LtCmdrRat · 09-21-07, 06:35 PM

Guys, According NJ Law police officer has a right to arrest a person who looks at police officer without" proper respect..."

sunvalleyslim · 09-21-07, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LtCmdrRat

Guys, According NJ Law police officer has a right to arrest a person who looks at police officer without" proper respect..."

I gotta say LtCmdr that thats about the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. That would never fly in L.A.
That's gotta be one of those old school laws, would never stand up in court today..............But I like it.............

Von Tonner · 09-22-07, 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heibges

Jeez Louise! I remember seeing Tim Leary debate G. Gordon Liddy, and nobody got tasered there. Not even pepper sprayed.

Were the police real police or campus security?

Campus security, two of which have already been suspended from their duties with immediate effect.

The Avon Lady · 09-22-07, 12:49 PM

I find it hard to see what else there is to discuss here that hans't been discussed.

So I'll just dance to the taser beat.

Letum · 09-22-07, 04:51 PM

Worth watching for the end

The Avon Lady · 09-23-07, 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum

Worth watching for the end

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

But worth watching for every second of it.

The Avon Lady · 09-23-07, 01:27 AM

More remix fun:

http://whatisdtmb.ytmnd.com/

http://donttaser2.ytmnd.com/ heh

There are others on the same site but you get the idea.

Oh and the obligatory .

VipertheSniper · 10-03-07, 02:27 PM

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

bradclark1 · 10-03-07, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum

Worth watching for the end

That was absolutely great! :rotfl:

09-21-07, 12:31 PM	#46
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,703 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	On a nother note, it seems that the apparent believe that tasers are harmless (now that is very intensely debated, isn't it) leads to a lowering of the inhibition level (treshold?) to use this painful but "harmless" weapon more easily. I just searched - youtube, - google, - CNN archive, - NBC archic, - the NYT and - the WP for taser incidents - and was stunned by the ammount of incidents were they got used negligent and in the most absurd and even dangerous contexts. A real "Verrohung der Sitten" (= "brutalization of customs and traditions"), imho. Tasering an old women sitting in a wheel chair, to prevent her rolling away (she later died). Tasering a five year old child. Tasering a pregnant woman (in Scotland they have banned that use on pregnat women due to serious health risks of the baby). Tasering a diabetes patient who had a shock, in order to make him lay still so that he could be treated - the policeman said. Tasering a female student wh0o was in handcuffs and laid still on the ground, already had given up, a new patrol arrived, passed thoruzgh the collegaues, and fird a tazer, using it wor close to a minute watching her rolling and crying. And so many more examples of absurd, ridiculous abuse of tasers, and so damn oftehn agaisnt victims that were innocent, or were suspected of bagatelle issues. So many reports, videos on incidents that you will not believe it. On TV news this evening they referred to a new incident where a women was tasered two minutes by an obvious sadist officer and was lead around her car like a dog several time, she was totally horrified by the pain and cried for mercy which was denied (the man was suspended). and so many other incidents that show a really horrifying easiness by which tasers seem to get used by the police. Not as a weapon to disarm a danergiuzr person, but just to make their job easier. They even get used without reason in more and more cases it seems to me, just as part of the procedure, even if their is no hint that somethijng bad could happen. The ammount of abuses seems to be extremely high. I admit that on the grounds of legal self-defense I would reserve the right to use force against such officers being so easy and excessive with tasers, if they would threaten me with them on such bagatelle incidents. Leaves a bad taste of wild, wild West in my mouth. Well, no intention to go there anyway... It does not really improve america's already rough reputation in the world. One is also tempted to wonder oif maybe more hidden sadists are abusing the uniform than we, or better: you, may feel comfortable with. Sorry, but the question is justified in the face of so high numbers of incidents. Also one must examine in what ratio the widespread belief that tazers are always safe for health (50.000 to 190.000, even 300.000 V not having consequences...???) lowers inhibition tresholds to use them. My impression is: very massively, else the use of tasers by routine wouldn'T have become part of police culture so very quickly. Finally one must remark that critics claim tasers beeing responsible for the death of several dozen people per year. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 09-21-07 at 12:42 PM.

09-21-07, 01:56 PM	#47
Heibges Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Francisco, California Posts: 1,633 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Jeez Louise! I remember seeing Tim Leary debate G. Gordon Liddy, and nobody got tasered there. Not even pepper sprayed. Were the police real police or campus security? __________________ U.Kdt.Hdb B. I. 28) This possibility of using the hydrophone to help in detecting surface ships should, however, be restricted to those cases where the submarine is unavoidably compelled to stay below the surface. http://www.hackworth.com/

09-21-07, 05:22 PM	#48
sunvalleyslim Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Los Angeles, Ca Posts: 1,142 Downloads: 267 Uploads: 0	Avon Lady, The Adventures of Taser Boy is right on the mark. Mr. Dunphy puts it in better words than myself. The right actions were done for the right reasons. If you can't figure that out, then I know why you're not a police officer. And you know absolutely nothing about how to do police work. Having been in the position of those officers myself many times, it always looks easier when standing back observing. You only understand when you're the officer rolling on the ground, and everyone wants you to handle the "problem". Then they stand back and criticise about the way you went about it. I have problems with the way this started and don't know who decided to grab this individual. I will agree with you that this didn't seem necessary. Verbalization should have started first. BUT after that all responsibility for everythingt rests on Mr. Tazer Boy. __________________ Crew member/ decommission member TM2(SS)(SD) 3/68-7/70 DIESEL BOATS FOREVER USS SEGUNDO (SS398)

09-21-07, 06:35 PM	#49
LtCmdrRat Gunner Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: My mind is My Fortress Posts: 100 Downloads: 110 Uploads: 0	Guys, According NJ Law police officer has a right to arrest a person who looks at police officer without" proper respect..." __________________ A joke is a very serious thing... sir winston churchill.

09-22-07, 12:49 PM	#52
The Avon Lady Über Mom Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 6,147 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I find it hard to see what else there is to discuss here that hans't been discussed. So I'll just dance to the taser beat. __________________ "Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women." - Houari Boumedienne, President of Algeria, Speech before the UN, 1974

09-22-07, 04:51 PM	#53
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Worth watching for the end __________________

09-23-07, 01:27 AM	#55
The Avon Lady Über Mom Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 6,147 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	More remix fun: http://whatisdtmb.ytmnd.com/ http://donttaser2.ytmnd.com/ heh There are others on the same site but you get the idea. Oh and the obligatory . __________________ "Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women." - Houari Boumedienne, President of Algeria, Speech before the UN, 1974

10-03-07, 02:27 PM	#56
VipertheSniper Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Austria Posts: 1,074 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: