Fixated on fps? - Page 4

DragonRR1 · 08-06-07, 06:54 AM

The human eye can only really truly "see" 25 fps although this varies a little between different people BUT the eye does expect to see motion blur. A single movie frame displays motion blur since each shot is taken with a set exposure time so an object crossing across the camera has blur. This is effectively what happens when you see a racing car pass in front of you - your eye blurs the image of the car (if you keep your eyes still). If you don't keep your eyes still but track the car the road will blur. So... a movie looks smooth and gets away with 25 fps because there is blur in any tracking or passing shot....

Most computer games, SH4 as an example, doesn't apply motion blur. It displays frozen frames so the eye really does see 25fps as slow. As a previous poster said... at around 60 FPS (very dependent on individuals) the brain stops caring about the missing blur.

I should also point out that many people can see "flicker" on older CRT monitors at anything less than 85hz (85 FPS)

Dragon

Fearless · 08-06-07, 06:58 AM

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And here I thought running at 10fps was good.

Any ideas how I can tweak my graphics in the bios? My specs are in my sig.

I had the 6200OC card. The game was unplayable. I got a better vid card and have 25+ FPS. My other components are 3200+ and 2 gig RAM. Look into a better card if you can.

Thanks AV. What would be a suitable GFX card for the rig I have.

TDK1044 · 08-06-07, 07:05 AM

I guess my original point is that all this is pretty subjective. I am perfectly happy with my system delivering between 27 and 40fps. While playing the game, I have no idea what frame rate I'm observing. I just know that the game is smooth and looks great.

In the end it's about enjoying the game. If you have a suped up system, that's great, but if you don't, you can enjoy this game just as much on a mid range system.

TDK1044 · 08-06-07, 07:07 AM

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And here I thought running at 10fps was good.

Any ideas how I can tweak my graphics in the bios? My specs are in my sig.

I had the 6200OC card. The game was unplayable. I got a better vid card and have 25+ FPS. My other components are 3200+ and 2 gig RAM. Look into a better card if you can.

Thanks AV. What would be a suitable GFX card for the rig I have.

I have the XFX GeForce 7600GT. It runs SH4 very well indeed.

SteamWake · 08-06-07, 11:19 AM

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In the end it's about enjoying the game. If you have a suped up system, that's great, but if you don't, you can enjoy this game just as much on a mid range system.

Perhaps enjoy it even more when your not obssesing over tweaking to wring out a couple more FPS.

But then again some folks enjoy obssesing over such things.

AVGWarhawk · 08-06-07, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Fearless

And here I thought running at 10fps was good.

Any ideas how I can tweak my graphics in the bios? My specs are in my sig.

I had the 6200OC card. The game was unplayable. I got a better vid card and have 25+ FPS. My other components are 3200+ and 2 gig RAM. Look into a better card if you can.

Thanks AV. What would be a suitable GFX card for the rig I have.

I purchased the Visiontech X1300 XGE 512mb card. I'm happy with it. You have to consider your power supply as well. This card uses 300w power supply or more. I had a 300w supply so got this card. I did however upgraded to 350w power supply. Not because of a card issue, it was a original equipment power supply that I was reading nightmares about. Basically if the original power supply blows it takes the motherboard with it

johnny chimpo · 08-06-07, 11:52 AM

Dont forget to check the amp rating of your supply. Its just as important as the wattage.

SteamWake · 08-06-07, 12:21 PM

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Dont forget to check the amp rating of your supply. Its just as important as the wattage.

Wattage is simply amperes at a given voltage. PC power supplies produce several voltages.

Ive never understood how they come up with an overall (wattage) number for the total capacity of the power supply.

But yes make sure your power supply is up to the taksk. I personally fried one after installing a new video card.

fair_weather · 08-06-07, 01:05 PM

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Dont forget to check the amp rating of your supply. Its just as important as the wattage.

Wattage is simply amperes at a given voltage. PC power supplies produce several voltages.

Ive never understood how they come up with an overall (wattage) number for the total capacity of the power supply.

But yes make sure your power supply is up to the taksk. I personally fried one after installing a new video card.

Actually no...For Video Card you should check the amps on the 12v rail. For certain video cards you need a certain amount of amps on it in order for it to function properly. If not, the card will die from not having enough power.

And I for one care about having a high fps in current games. Cause if I get 60 fps in current games I know I'll get a good amount of fps in upcoming games.

Think ahead is what I say.

SteamWake · 08-06-07, 01:22 PM

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Actually no...For Video Card you should check the amps on the 12v rail. For certain video cards you need a certain amount of amps on it in order for it to function properly. If not, the card will die from not having enough power.

And I for one care about having a high fps in current games. Cause if I get 60 fps in current games I know I'll get a good amount of fps in upcoming games.

Think ahead is what I say.

Thats kind of what I was trying to say but (shrug)... Watts=amps*voltage (good ole ohms law). So say 500ma at 12V=6 Watts, 500ma at -4V=2 Watts. So what is the overall rating of the psu ???

In my case the video card ran fine (although the cooling fan was running as hard as it could) untill the 120V fuse blew in the psu. My first thought wow nice video card but wow is it loud. When I put a larger psu in now the cooling fan is running much less furiously.

Its kind of funny I was playing Oblivion intently sneaking up on something when POW and the screen went blank. I nearly crapped my pants.

johnny chimpo · 08-06-07, 01:35 PM

Yeah just gotta be carefull them new dx10 cards are hungry buggers.

08-06-07, 06:54 AM	#46
DragonRR1 Officer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK Posts: 246 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The human eye can only really truly "see" 25 fps although this varies a little between different people BUT the eye does expect to see motion blur. A single movie frame displays motion blur since each shot is taken with a set exposure time so an object crossing across the camera has blur. This is effectively what happens when you see a racing car pass in front of you - your eye blurs the image of the car (if you keep your eyes still). If you don't keep your eyes still but track the car the road will blur. So... a movie looks smooth and gets away with 25 fps because there is blur in any tracking or passing shot.... Most computer games, SH4 as an example, doesn't apply motion blur. It displays frozen frames so the eye really does see 25fps as slow. As a previous poster said... at around 60 FPS (very dependent on individuals) the brain stops caring about the missing blur. I should also point out that many people can see "flicker" on older CRT monitors at anything less than 85hz (85 FPS) Dragon

08-06-07, 07:05 AM	#48
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	I guess my original point is that all this is pretty subjective. I am perfectly happy with my system delivering between 27 and 40fps. While playing the game, I have no idea what frame rate I'm observing. I just know that the game is smooth and looks great. In the end it's about enjoying the game. If you have a suped up system, that's great, but if you don't, you can enjoy this game just as much on a mid range system.

08-06-07, 11:52 AM	#52
johnny chimpo Seaman Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 34 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Dont forget to check the amp rating of your supply. Its just as important as the wattage.

08-06-07, 01:35 PM	#56
johnny chimpo Seaman Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 34 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Yeah just gotta be carefull them new dx10 cards are hungry buggers.