Sicko movie review

Originally Posted by P_Funk

Who are you and what did you do with waste gate?

I've always been open to the 'free speach' enviorment. Take a look back at my posts and what much of my time in the brig has been about, you will (may) see that. Don't confuse free speach with difference of opinion and willingness to see that opinion heard. I suspect that is the only reason I am still allowed to post in this forum.

[P_Funk]

Originally Posted by waste gate

I've always been open to the 'free speach' enviorment. Take a look back at my posts and what much of my time in the brig has been about, you will (may) see that. Don't confuse free speach with difference of opinion and willingness to see that opinion heard. I suspect that is the only reason I am still allowed to post in this forum.

I don't doubt that you're in favour of free speech. Its just that lately you seem alot more agreeable. But 'tis always a nice thing to get along with ones adversaries.

[Tchocky]

(Ok, does ever happen to anyone else. You browse down recent threads, click on one, and between clicking the link and the thread opening, someone posts on it. Pfunk i swear you're psychic or summat)

Anyway - here's cnn on Sicko, seems reasonable

http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/06/28...eck/index.html

[P_Funk]

So, if Americans are paying so much and they're not getting as good or as much care, where is all the money going? "Overhead for most private health insurance plans range between 10 percent to 30 percent," says Deloitte health-care analyst Paul Keckley. Overhead includes profit and administrative costs.
"Compare that to Medicare, which only has an overhead rate of 1 percent. Medicare is an extremely efficient health-care delivery system," says Mark Meaney, a health-care ethicist for the National Institute for Patient Rights.

Thats the main difference between private for profit and state managed system. The overhead for privatized systems is always grossly in excess of the public systems. But that cost is either transferred to the subsidization by the government or to the patient, hence higher costs.
So all you money nuts who ask whos gonna pay for it, well thats a good point of how its actually backwards the way health care works. Its actually economically more efficient to practice public health care.

[Skweetis]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Don't question me on the Canadian health system as compared to the American health system. I'm tied between the two (my in-laws are Canadian - and I have an uncle that would tell you a thin or two that needs hip replacement - basically, he is going to have to pay for it out of pocket!). My wife as well as my sister in law had the exact same procedure, and I can tell you that it is night and day between the treatment of the two. I am actually ticked at the Canadian health care system, their paint peeling off the walls, and I can tell you that even though their people are great, they are severly under-funded! My mother-in-law recently died (about a month now) of cancer, and I absolutely love the nurses, and at least one of her non-French doctors. But they do not have even a fraction of the capability that they have over here, or the hand and foot treatment my wife recently got! Her sister got none of this treatment - no funding. Period.

The Canadian system is a joke compared to the US. Do not even get me started.

-S

I'd be interested to know which Canadian city this occured in....

[U-533]

Everything should be free!!!!!!!!!!!!

AND and no one should have to work..yeah yeah!

Everyone should live in mansions made outta gold and drive Hummers and ...and
the government should not tell me what to do and the cops shouldn't tell me what to do.........
wait if no one has to work then there will be no cops and government people....

yea yea and if there are no cops and government then I can rule the world....
oh but wait that means id have to work...

OK WAIT!!

1.Everything should be free.

2.Everyone should live how they want to live.

3.Everyone should have what they want to have.

4.If you don't want to work that's cool cause no one has to.

5.Some one needs to be forced to work so everyone else can get what they deserve.

6.When your forced to work for everyone else, you can't sabotage stuff ,like the Jews did to the Nazis when they were forced to work.

7.AND NO MORE STUPID RULES

ok that about covers my plan of the perfect world.

[P_Funk]

I vote that the worst post ever.

[U-533]

Originally Posted by P_Funk

I vote that the worst post ever.

I dunno P_Funk.

I believe I could do worse.

:hmm:

[P_Funk]

Originally Posted by U-533

I dunno P_Funk.

I believe I could do worse.

:hmm:

No need to try.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Skweetis

I'd be interested to know which Canadian city this occured in....

I've been in the Royal Vic (Did I pronouce it right?), as well, as one other in Montreal that I forget the name. Been to one in Toronto, another in Kingston, and even one in Cambelford, ON too. Been married for 10 years and dealt with one hospital or another throughout those years for various family members.

All of these hospitals severely underfunded, and they also have staffing problems. I talked to one of the nurses back in May and they just can't find enough people, period. Why? They need to be paid better so that they have more people with incentive to get into the field. Their hospitals are just plain bad compared to what we have in the US. We have country clubs by comparrison.

-S

PS. In Kingston last time (I was there in Feb), there is one Chemo doctor in in several hundred km (However far Toronto or Montreal is from there)! And they are scared he will leave! You should see the line up of patients just to see this one guy!

[P_Funk]

[quote=SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Skweetis

All of these hospitals severely underfunded, and they also have staffing problems. I talked to one of the nurses back in May and they just can't find enough people, period. Why? They need to be paid better so that they have more people with incentive to get into the field. Their hospitals are just plain bad compared to what we have in the US. We have country clubs by comparrison.

Thats because American hospitals benefit from the pursuit of profit. Canadian hospitals are private run but not for profit, or at least not for the dynamic market based profit that would inflate the costs. Its a tough choice really. Give everyone a slice or give some people a better crumb. That government in the 90s started to cut costs as a result of the massive national deficit explains much of why we're today so underfunded, the natural expensive tendencies of health care aside. But with the Canadian economy looking up and the Federal government receiving surpluses we should be able to see an increase in the federal spending on health care. There is also a movement to reform the system, hopefully without turning it into a bastard American system.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Another thought, how can this weirdo criticse the Walter Reed medical center for example, and then ask for government run health care in the same movie??? Is he nuts? Walter Reed is a government funded and government run hospital!!! Hahahahaha! What an idiot.

-S

Gold star for you today . He needs to move to North Korea, so he can be with his Comrades.

Our health system may have its "issues", but there's no such thing as a free lunch, and I guarantee you Moore would find a way to weasle out of paying the taxes the Feds would take.

[P_Funk]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Our health system may have its "issues", but there's no such thing as a free lunch, and I guarantee you Moore would find a way to weasle out of paying the taxes the Feds would take.

I think that is so funny. To mention taxes too... That the majority of the people who benefit from the current state of the Ameican health care system are amongst those that pay the least amount of tax proportional to their net worth is just... an irony that is lost on most free market champions. The idea that people should go bankrupt and have to worry about paying bills just because they want to be healthy is a perverse way to run a society that is alleged to be so civilized.

[The Avon Lady]

Let's take a look at , shall we.

[P_Funk]

I like the bit where he implied that the homeless and destitute are that way because of their own fault. Its especially good because that was the "however" added to the necessary acknowledgement that there are people that don't get the care they deserve.

And there was a big point about how everyone gets care thats almost as good as insurance payers. But nobody answered how someone that has a legitimate reason for not having insurance should pay for it without being totally broke and forced into bankruptcy.

Theres alot of averaging out in that video, using majority statistics to make it sound so rosey. That the few who suffer rare diseases or need significant surgeries still end up liable wasn't addressed and also the alleged corruption of the insurance industry isn't answered. Its a selective argument that doesn't look at the whole picture.

I'll grant those are some good stats for use in an argument. But all it might have done is remind me how Michael Moore isn't always thorough in his arguments.