Patch 1.3

[codeseven]

Originally Posted by 7Enigma

Radar at southern direction and chrono to name a few. Every time, not just random issues. Oh wait, you're right, they didn't advertise they were going to work, just that they were going to be included in the game. :rotfl: Comon, are you kidding me? You honestly think there is a difference between advertising a feature, and having it properly implemented in the game?

Thats exactly why I did'nt reply, that was a rediculous statement. Theres a list of over 79 broken or missing features in SH4 so far and I'm sure not every single one of those were 'advertised' but I am sure UBI would love to use that lame excuse and leave the game as it is. However, I dont think the Devs, after putting in many hours of hard work into this game, would be happy with that decision.

[Steeltrap]

Well, since the 1.2 patch of Medieval II Total War (all 613Mb of it...... ) I haven't played SHIV. I just find it a massive disappointment. Mind you, that's just me.

Ubi has my $100, so I guess they're happy.
They had better be - they certainly won't be getting any more of my money.

Oh, incidentally, the DEVELOPERS also should take a fair share of the responsibility. If Ubi had an agreed release date all along and the Devs entered a contract knowing that, then they can't complain if they weren't able to meet the terms of the contract they themselves chose to sign.

[USS_shipmaster]

From STILLTRAP " Oh, incidentally, the DEVELOPERS also should take a fair share of the responsibility. If Ubi had an agreed release date all along and the Devs entered a contract knowing that, then they can't complain if they weren't able to meet the terms of the contract they themselves chose to sign. "

My dear Steeltrap. You dont even imagine how many traps for devs contract you mentioned above may have. And people in eastern europe (in this case Romania) are hired for this job because of their dedication to it, high level of professionalism and because they costs cheaper. You are blaming Devs team for job they did and at the same time you do not know how to make it right or may be you know but you dont want to work for money UBI pays ...i m very sorry . These guys(DEVS) are very dedicated to SH series and dont leave on them the blame that fully belongs to UBI management.
I m not fully satisfied with SH4 features, but I m waiting for a patch which will solve all remaining gameplay bugs. I m just spending more time with "too manual "targeting. If UBIsoft will not finance this patch I just stop buying their products - thats all I can do and I tell all my friend to do the same with UBIsoft products. Just bad recommendations thats all. Will it work? Who knows ? May be...

[joea]

USS_shipmaster:

[Karl-Heinz Jaeger]

Originally Posted by pythos

If we don't get a patch 1.3, and wonder why, all we need to do is look at the flack given to the Devs by most on this and other forums, and let's not forget that wonderful bit of satire called "Das Boot does SH4". If I were some sap that had not only some suit breathing over my neck to make the patches and other stuff for the game, but also got nothing but flack from my so called supporters I'd tell all involved to shove a 1/72 scale Gato up their nether regions, and go to hell.

When the patch came out I mostly saw complaints, and more complaints. I myself got called a fan boy for suggesting for members here to take it easy when complaining. The average poster here seems to have degraded, while the true kaleuns/skippers are out on virtual seas enjoying these games, that though buggy, are awsome in so many respects.

So if we don't get the patch, in my humble opinion we deserve it.

For the devs, I hope you do put out a patch taking care of the outstanding issues this promising sim has.

Thats ridiculous. No way would Ubisoft be able to make a decent 1/72 scale Gato, just look at the virtual mess they made of it in SHIV....

Originally Posted by pythos

If I were some sap that had not only some suit breathing over my neck to make the patches and other stuff for the game, but also got nothing but flack from my so called supporters I'd tell all involved to shove a 1/72 scale Gato up their nether regions, and go to hell.

I really had to laugh at this. How old are you, son.....12?

[skullman86]

If you run a company and there are complaints about your products then you obviously aren't meeting expectations or standards.When people complain its because they expect the product to be in a certain condition regardless of the lame ass (possibly true) excuses people give, such as "it's not the dev's fault it's the publisher's"....etc.The game has bugs....No excuses JUST FIX IT, PLEASE!People complain because they want those bugs fixed and they have every right to express their frustration (especially when we don't get updated every so often).We are the customers and when a customer gets a product that is in some way faulty it is generally the company's responsibility to fix the problem.As I have stated before on the UBI forum, if I were to do a sub par job for a client I would not get paid unless I fixed it and even then I might even get a bad rap from that one customer.Why should a video game be any different, the game has noticeable flaws and it should be UBI's responsibility to fix the game no matter what.So even if that programmer doesn't like his boss breathing down his neck or us complaining he has no choice since its his ****ing job and he gets paid to do it.While technically it may be "hard" to program stuff, it is not manual labor so enough with the excuses about how coding is though.Yeah sitting on my ass typing away in an air conditioned room for 8 hours is hard .Everybody stands up for the developers like they are goddamn slave labor or something....Uh hello, they get paid like everybody else and they weren't forced into their job so why should we have to compromise; they are getting paid so they should be held accountable IMO?While the developers might be great people and they may be working hard, I still don't see why everyone treats them like they can do no wrong.

The game is fun but it has some major flaws that NEED to be addresses like 2 patches ago so I wouldn't expect to see a drop in complaints until they are fixed (if ever) and I would definitely not expect a drop in negative topics when people are creating topics that complain about complainers .All I want is an update sometimes so we at least know what to expect so we aren't left in the dark for two friggin months only to receive a patch that fixes some important issues but adds a bunch of crap that the community never asked for.

[Keelbuster]

Originally Posted by skullman86

If you run a company and there are complaints about your products then you obviously aren't meeting expectations or standards.When people complain its because they expect the product to be in a certain condition regardless of the lame ass (possibly true) excuses people give, such as "it's not the dev's fault it's the publisher's"....etc.The game has bugs....No excuses JUST FIX IT, PLEASE!People complain because they want those bugs fixed and they have every right to express their frustration (especially when we don't get updated every so often).We are the customers and when a customer gets a product that is in some way faulty it is generally the company's responsibility to fix the problem.As I have stated before on the UBI forum, if I were to do a sub par job for a client I would not get paid unless I fixed it and even then I might even get a bad rap from that one customer.Why should a video game be any different, the game has noticeable flaws and it should be UBI's responsibility to fix the game no matter what.So even if that programmer doesn't like his boss breathing down his neck or us complaining he has no choice since its his ****ing job and he gets paid to do it.While technically it may be "hard" to program stuff, it is not manual labor so enough with the excuses about how coding is though.Yeah sitting on my ass typing away in an air conditioned room for 8 hours is hard .Everybody stands up for the developers like they are goddamn slave labor or something....Uh hello, they get paid like everybody else and they weren't forced into their job so why should we have to compromise; they are getting paid so they should be held accountable IMO?While the developers might be great people and they may be working hard, I still don't see why everyone treats them like they can do no wrong.

The game is fun but it has some major flaws that NEED to be addresses like 2 patches ago so I wouldn't expect to see a drop in complaints until they are fixed (if ever) and I would definitely not expect a drop in negative topics when people are creating topics that complain about complainers .All I want is an update sometimes so we at least know what to expect so we aren't left in the dark for two friggin months only to receive a patch that fixes some important issues but adds a bunch of crap that the community never asked for.

I basically agree. SHIV is a scandal - a monumental ripoff/sellout with no excuses. Everyone involved should be keelhauled. I've had my rant already, and i've let it go, gone back to SH3 etc, but you got me started once again. The burn I get from this bastardization and squandering of so much potential is too much to handle...i have to block it out. Luckily my VIIC works just fine.

[vindex]

I'm adequately pleased with SH4, and believe it will get better with patches. But the initial post really did annoy me.

Next time your boss at work tells you you screwed up, or missed a deadline, or pissed off a customer, just try that approach on him. "If you don't accept me as I am, then maybe I won't do any more work for you. THEN you'll regret it." Haha, what do you think his response will be? Don't let the door hit you on the way out, bub.

Boo hoo hoo. Customers complain about a buggy not-ready-for-primetime product -- not just a couple of forum loudmouths but EVERY REVIEW I have seen -- and it makes the devs and publishers feel bad. Boo freakin' hoo. Hey, they all get PAID. The modders here don't get paid to FIX the game. They don't get paid to add cool features and graphics that the dev team didn't think about and the publisher couldn't care less. If they don't want to make sub sims, fine. There's a market here, if they don't, someone else will do it. I'm really not shedding any tears.

This is not an attack aimed at the devs. I realize they operate under various constraints and I applaud what they have accomplished, even in its unfinished state. They are probably the ones who realize, more than anyone, just how unfinished it really is. This rebuke is aimed squarely at the post that started this thread.

[vindex]

Originally Posted by pythos

So if we don't get the patch, in my humble opinion we deserve it.

Our money back, you mean? I agree.

[RoyalHighlander]

Try Red Orchestra it is a tank/combat ground war sim, but its a sim and actually a pretty dam good game too.. Loads of servers (over 175 last count and climbing) Ive been playing that and also call to duty 2 and am gonna wait till sh4 is patched properly..

[macky]

These posts really are starting to get me aggrevated. Why? Because I am sick of listening to arguments. The OP is blaming flamers because of all the negative posts, yet by actually posting this topic is guaranteed to get flamers on here hence adding to the negative feelings.

Guys, can we please move on...do we have to troll through posts defending or slating the devs, corp...w/e

Lets get back to the constructive subsim we used to know and love...stop this baiting of either camp

[USS_shipmaster]

"Everybody stands up for the developers like they are goddamn slave labor or something....Uh hello, they get paid like everybody else and they weren't forced into their job so why should we have to compromise; they are getting paid so they should be held accountable IMO?While the developers might be great people and they may be working hard, I still don't see why everyone treats them like they can do no wrong."
I and some others guys stands for SH4 dev team, just because we have knowledge what is the programmers job.
I paid for it and I dont care" sounds like a teenager cry. Yes, we paid but we have to understand what is the cycle of game development and market... UBI wants PROFIT and made devs to work under unrealistic schedule.
What we can do? Remind them (UBI) our demands and If they will not do what they have to do according fair play business practice we just will not buy their products anymore...
Best regards VK
PS Nothing is personal and everything is personal.I had a manager 31 years old guy who thought that India was in Africa and Paris was probably in Rome. That guy wanted profit right away...He could not undersand why we need QA... because his daddy told so.... Idiocracy is coming. Congratulations!
If somebody again will notice how many mistake I mada ;-), please read below about NY it explains why i am living here

[TDK1044]

Originally Posted by USS_shipmaster

What we can do? Remind them (UBI) our demands and If they will not do what they have to do according fair play business practice we just will not buy their products anymore...
Best regards VK

So here's what you don't understand. The subsim community in total represents less than 5 percent of sales. The number of people within the subsim community who would actually not purchase a future Ubisoft subsim product because of SH4 is very small indeed.....probably less than 100. That's because modded and patched, this game is already good and getting better.

A lot of us are not happy with the production schedule imposed on the Devs, or the state of the game at its release. But the thought that you and a few others with a similar naive opinion would make Ubisoft shake in their shoes because you refuse to buy any more of their products is laughable. Now if you can mobilize the 95 percent of casual gamers to complain to Ubisoft you'll be in business.

[USS_shipmaster]

TDK,
I agree in general but 5%? I believe it about 10. Only in Sh4. 20'000 (legal copies)people who will not buy all UBI products not only for themselves but for their kids and relatives. 20000 x 40-50=800000-100000, with other UBI products up to 2000000 ( when 20000 people will not buy any other game made in UBISOFT, Like Prince of Persia )
I know it is naive :-) but IMHO again its only one way to demonstrate what we as customers can do.
And my post was about who is reposible for current state of SH4 and what we really can do... just not buying bad products made in UBI in the future. Will it work? May be , may be not :-)
Best regards , lets hope they will make more patches.
VK

[USS_shipmaster]

I believe number of guys who really likes SH series are even more than 20000 but I think most of people here play with at least 60 % of realism.
How many casual gamers? Millions? How many of them play SH4? 5-10 percent.
May be I m wrong in numbers. May be not... There are 3 kind of lie: Lie, Big Lie and Statistics. Kidding.
Best regards VK