Possible TDC bug (auto and manual) - Page 4

Immacolata · 03-27-07, 06:40 AM

Good find! I noticed today (with duds) that even the most perfect of setup shots missed and missed. But another similiar setup shot hit everytime, and in the middle.

I used manual TDC so my conclusions are now somewhat muddled. IF it is indeed duds that have more "duddy ways to dud" now, ie. different speed, changed detonation range, and possibly damage too, then we might hold onto our horses before we report a bug on the TDC. At least for manual.

But its still a bug IMO that you cannot "aim" your shot without locking to a target. Should be possible.

Also the stadimeter, is it inaccurate or is it us that are not accurate? I read in the manual that they made the nav map ruler imprecise on purpose. But I am not sure how that affects the game and the range you measure with the ruler.

Lawndart · 03-27-07, 07:57 PM

Could the experaince level of your crew have anything to do with it? Perhaps another undocmented side effect of inexperianced crew?

When I break lock and aim at a point on the ship I get all my hits spot on but BB tend to adjust speed when they know your their...

But I di have very mixed results when I use fast shot, results are never what I expect.

akdavis · 03-27-07, 08:15 PM

Edit: actually already discussed here, as well. Nevermind.

The problem seems to have been isolated. High speed Mk. 14s are running some 25% below the speed TDC uses to calculate gyro angles. Please see here:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...=109272&page=4

May actually be an undocumented and poorly implemented "feature."

don1reed · 03-28-07, 04:05 AM

I don't have the game yet, either; however, reading about the "late" arriving torps gave me a thought about what I used to do playing the orig SH...

My Electronics-Approach Off. (calculator)

asin (( target speed / torpedo speed) x sin AOB ) = Offset Angle of Collision, or, how much to lead the target. Worked every time.

gnirtS · 03-30-07, 11:23 AM

This is now being discussed in a few threads but this one is linked off the bugzilla site so i'll update here.

it DOESN'T appear to be TDC related. Mk14 and 23 torpedos travelling at high speed do not travel at the speed they should do. Instead of 46kts or so they're travelling at 35-36kts. This means the torpedos arrive late and therefore hit behind where they're aimed.
Another telltale is the TDC attack map - look at the time it says for torpedo to hit, fire one and time it, you'll find they arrive later.

SLOW speed appears not to be affected by this.

elanaiba · 03-30-07, 11:43 AM

Burnspot · 03-30-07, 12:06 PM

Now that's a new spin on acknowledging a bug.

Perfect format for this game!

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Originally Posted by elanaiba

Safe-Keeper · 03-30-07, 12:13 PM

:rotfl:
I love you, Ubi

!

Psyon · 03-30-07, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by elanaiba

that figures, i thought those blasted MK-14's were worthless. my torp crews have been taking them apart right and left trying to figure it out. them BUORD people are a crazy bunch.

message recieved!

OddjobXL · 03-30-07, 12:31 PM

How does anyone not love these guys? Nailed it. Even their bugs are historically accurate!

Crosseye76 · 03-30-07, 12:38 PM

E.Hartmann · 03-30-07, 12:41 PM

Too funny!!!

oritpro · 03-30-07, 12:57 PM

Classy response, I like it.

Nonetheless, I have given up on the game...for now....

Between Stalker and Test Drive Unlimited I have plenty of entertainment software to keep me busy until SHIV is fixed.

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Originally Posted by elanaiba

jbt308 · 03-30-07, 01:27 PM

Very classy response from the Devs, to be sure. However, I was wondering if anyone else was noticing the same issue I'm having.

When I put the scope over a ship, the triangle targetter doesn't show up until I'm almost amidships from the bow, maybe a third of the way over the ship.
_
| |
___________|_|____________
|________________________/
--------------------/\

That's where the targetter starts for me. So to make a shot at the bow is somewhat difficult if you go by the triangle. I was thinking that since the torpedoes are trailing after, it seems that maybe the mesh/area/programming for side of a ship is a bit off, like shifted over? So the "targeting mesh" for a ship is actually shifted backward X yards, so the point where my targetter is showing is the front edge of the "mesh". Does that make sense?

elite_hunter_sh3 · 03-30-07, 02:20 PM

keep up the good work devs.

03-27-07, 06:40 AM	#46
Immacolata Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 798 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Good find! I noticed today (with duds) that even the most perfect of setup shots missed and missed. But another similiar setup shot hit everytime, and in the middle. I used manual TDC so my conclusions are now somewhat muddled. IF it is indeed duds that have more "duddy ways to dud" now, ie. different speed, changed detonation range, and possibly damage too, then we might hold onto our horses before we report a bug on the TDC. At least for manual. But its still a bug IMO that you cannot "aim" your shot without locking to a target. Should be possible. Also the stadimeter, is it inaccurate or is it us that are not accurate? I read in the manual that they made the nav map ruler imprecise on purpose. But I am not sure how that affects the game and the range you measure with the ruler. __________________ "The power of the executive to cast a man into prison without formulating any charge known to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgment of his peers, is in the highest degree odious, and the foundation of all totalitarian government whether Nazi or Communist." - W. Churchill

03-27-07, 08:15 PM	#48
akdavis Samurai Navy Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Fort Worth, Texas Posts: 597 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Edit: actually already discussed here, as well. Nevermind. The problem seems to have been isolated. High speed Mk. 14s are running some 25% below the speed TDC uses to calculate gyro angles. Please see here: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...=109272&page=4 May actually be an undocumented and poorly implemented "feature." __________________ -AKD Last edited by akdavis; 03-27-07 at 08:28 PM.

03-28-07, 04:05 AM	#49
don1reed Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Valhalla: Silent Generation Posts: 1,149 Downloads: 910 Uploads: 0	I don't have the game yet, either; however, reading about the "late" arriving torps gave me a thought about what I used to do playing the orig SH... My Electronics-Approach Off. (calculator) asin (( target speed / torpedo speed) x sin AOB ) = Offset Angle of Collision, or, how much to lead the target. Worked every time. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. ~ George Orwell

03-30-07, 12:13 PM	#53
Safe-Keeper Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 3,234 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	:rotfl: I love you, Ubi! __________________ First Strike Mod tester. Hardcore sub skipper.

03-30-07, 12:38 PM	#56
Crosseye76 Lieutenant Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 258 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	__________________ There are only two kinds of ships. Submarines and Targets.

03-27-07, 07:57 PM	#47
Lawndart Bosun Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Vancouver BC Posts: 66 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	Could the experaince level of your crew have anything to do with it? Perhaps another undocmented side effect of inexperianced crew? When I break lock and aim at a point on the ship I get all my hits spot on but BB tend to adjust speed when they know your their... But I di have very mixed results when I use fast shot, results are never what I expect.

03-30-07, 11:23 AM	#50
gnirtS Officer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: South Wales, UK Posts: 237 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	This is now being discussed in a few threads but this one is linked off the bugzilla site so i'll update here. it DOESN'T appear to be TDC related. Mk14 and 23 torpedos travelling at high speed do not travel at the speed they should do. Instead of 46kts or so they're travelling at 35-36kts. This means the torpedos arrive late and therefore hit behind where they're aimed. Another telltale is the TDC attack map - look at the time it says for torpedo to hit, fire one and time it, you'll find they arrive later. SLOW speed appears not to be affected by this.

03-30-07, 11:43 AM	#51
elanaiba Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 1,058 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 3

03-30-07, 12:31 PM	#55
OddjobXL Torpedoman Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 119 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	How does anyone not love these guys? Nailed it. Even their bugs are historically accurate!

03-30-07, 12:41 PM	#57
E.Hartmann Soundman Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 147 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Too funny!!!

03-30-07, 01:27 PM	#59
jbt308 Torpedoman Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: S. Florida Posts: 118 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	Very classy response from the Devs, to be sure. However, I was wondering if anyone else was noticing the same issue I'm having. When I put the scope over a ship, the triangle targetter doesn't show up until I'm almost amidships from the bow, maybe a third of the way over the ship. _ \| \| ___________\|_\|____________ \|________________________/ --------------------/\ That's where the targetter starts for me. So to make a shot at the bow is somewhat difficult if you go by the triangle. I was thinking that since the torpedoes are trailing after, it seems that maybe the mesh/area/programming for side of a ship is a bit off, like shifted over? So the "targeting mesh" for a ship is actually shifted backward X yards, so the point where my targetter is showing is the front edge of the "mesh". Does that make sense? Last edited by jbt308; 03-30-07 at 03:00 PM.

03-30-07, 02:20 PM	#60
elite_hunter_sh3 The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,376 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	keep up the good work devs.