Does anyone believe that Cheney is right?

[Mikkow]

Originally Posted by ASWnut101

Look at France or the UK.

you're joking, I presume?

[ASWnut101]

Maby? Maby not? That is the question...

Originally Posted by Mikkow

you're joking, I presume?

Islam as the government has been in Europe before. It is not that big of a stretch, given the policies of France, the UK and Spain not to see it happen again.

[Boris]

You're referring to the Moors? They were an organised conventional military fighting force and fought conventional battles for control of territory.

Mate, even if thats true... it's a massive stretch if I ever saw one. You're talking about immigration policies?

[geetrue]

Originally Posted by waste gate

Islam as the government has been in Europe before. It is not that big of a stretch, given the policies of France, the UK and Spain not to see it happen again.

That's silly waste gate ... the only way that can happen is to get on the ballot for the voters to decide ... whoops!

Originally Posted by geetrue

That's silly waste gate ... the only way that can happen is to get on the ballot for the voters to decide ... whoops!

Seems that the Spanish voted to appease. The French are appeasers by nature so long as they get their wine a cheese. Even the UK'ers would agree that muslims have more rights than the Englishman. With the populations in these countries muslims will rule under sahara law soon enough.

A wake up call my friend geetrue. It matters not to me that you become a subserviant in your own nation. I will fight to tell the truth and keep my country free from the tyranny which is islam.

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by loynokid

I think that the front on the war against terror should not be fought in US, I would much prefer that it is fought were the terrorists live, primarily in the mid east. I like the idea of just blowing down the door and bombing and invading the crap out of them, as in the Iraq invasion. You have to be careful though, because you want to keep a limit on civilian casuallties. I also realize that a lot of Iraqis are very p**sed of right now, I mean i would be very angry if a foreign country just decided to invade the US. Also, we weren't provocitive going into Iraq. If anyone thinks we were, then they need to google 9/11. Also we need to beef up security inside the states, which we have done since 9/11. I really am not a strategist or anything, those are just a few ideas of mine.

Ask Britain or indonesia where the terrorist live! If you think they aren't already in the continental US you are mistaken. Where were the guys who did 9/11 living for months before they hit?

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by August

Perhaps you should actually explain what you mean next time then instead of just comparing the US military to those murderers.

Im irked by Cheney's use of "The terrorists", and his over-simplifications. It's really linguistics and semantics, but these are the things that make me mad

We're not at war with every terrorist group in the world. For example, you don't see the US Army going in to dig the ETA out of the Pyrenees do you? Oops sorry that was a bit sarcastic, but you get my drift.

Yep, i get you. And you're proving my point. The US isn't at war with every terrorist, so saying "terrorists want an empire" is an over-simplification, turning a complex issue into a B-Movie.

My apologies, I got you mixed up with Tarjak. Must be the similarity of names and positions. The point remains however. Wherever the hell the "ruins of Europe" are they are no more safe from radical muslim dreams of world domination than anywhere else.

It's a literary reference . I'm Irish, living in New England for a while. I don't mind if I'm not safe from "dreams of world domination", it's the actions that worry me

Too bad you weren't our Vice President, your superior intellect would set us straight eh? The terrorists that we're at war with, namely Al Quaeda, are indeed dreaming of a world wide caliphiate. Now I seriously doubt that you have achieved a quarter of the successes that he has in his life so forgive me if I have to at you for calling him an "eejit".

Oh come on, aren't citizens encouraged to criticise their leaders? (OK, so I'm a citizen of the wrong country.....details, details :p)
And why couldnt he have put it the way you just did? A fair representation of the forces involved, not too hard.

....don't mind me, I'm a frustrated linguist

[Bort]

Dick Cheney is just doing what he usually does, saying stuff to pander to the Republican base or spreading fear through the American public. As far as what he said goes, either the terrorists are fooling themselves or Cheney, because the idea of those moronic nutjobs running an empire, let alone creating one is laughable.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by loynokid

I think that the front on the war against terror should not be fought in US, I would much prefer that it is fought were the terrorists live, primarily in the mid east. I like the idea of just blowing down the door and bombing and invading the crap out of them, as in the Iraq invasion. You have to be careful though, because you want to keep a limit on civilian casuallties.

Something I read today, rather disturbing regarding casualties.

I also realize that a lot of Iraqis are very p**sed of right now, I mean i would be very angry if a foreign country just decided to invade the US. Also, we weren't provocitive going into Iraq. If anyone thinks we were, then they need to google 9/11. Also we need to beef up security inside the states, which we have done since 9/11. I really am not a strategist or anything, those are just a few ideas of mine.

Especially if they were reacting (as you claim) to an attack on their country.
An attack that was planned in Mexico, with most of the attackers and funding coming from Canada.

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Oh come on, aren't citizens encouraged to criticise their leaders? (OK, so I'm a citizen of the wrong country.....details, details :p)

Not a small detail in my mind. I encourage you as a citizen of your country to criticize your government with the same enthusiasm as you criticise mine. Since I haven't heard any criticism from you concerning your gov't I can only assume you live in the proverbial paradise. It is always easy to criicise those whose protection you live under.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by waste gate

Not a small detail in my mind. I encourage you as a citizen of your country to criticize your government with the same enthusiasm as you criticise mine.

When they f*ck up, I do. Just not here, because the thread wouldnt have much of a following, and GT on subsim isn't my only avenue of communication :p. What effect does my nationality have on the validity of my opinions, anyway? I sure as hell didn't choose to be Irish, just like you didnt choose to be American. it has nothing to do with us.

Since I haven't heard any criticism from you concerning your gov't I can only assume you live in the proverbial paradise.

It's not paradise, but it's close enough in many ways.
Read the headline

It is always easy to criicise those whose protection you live under.

Indeed it is, and the current government are making things easier.

Edit - You're assuming the characteristics of a nation from what one citizen doesn't post on one messageboard?

Originally Posted by Tchocky

When they f*ck up, I do. Just not here, because the thread wouldnt have much of a following, and GT on subsim isn't my only avenue of communication :p. What effect does my nationality have on the validity of my opinions, anyway? I sure as hell didn't choose to be Irish, just like you didnt choose to be American. it has nothing to do with us.

It's not paradise, but it's close enough in many ways.
Read the headline

Indeed it is, and the current government are making things easier.

Edit - You're assuming the characteristics of a nation from what one citizen doesn't post on one messageboard?

I cannot expouse upon the politics of the Emerald Isle but you can. Since we hear no criticism of your gov't I can only assume the grass is greener there.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by waste gate

I cannot expouse upon the politics of the Emerald Isle but you can. Since we hear no criticism of your gov't I can only assume the grass is greener there.

I'm fed up criticising my government. We're heading for an election in May, and it's the same old same old.
I post about American politics because a) it's where I live these days b) it's absolutely fascinating and c) there's more going on at the moment.
Grass may or may not be greener, it's certainly different.

Originally Posted by Tchocky

I'm fed up criticising my government. We're heading for an election in May, and it's the same old same old.
I post about American politics because a) it's where I live these days b) it's absolutely fascinating and c) there's more going on at the moment.
Grass may or may not be greener, it's certainly different.

The green of the grass was an alusion to the Irish landscape. Your interest in the politics of the US is complimentary but really not the business of those who are not citizens. I for one do not comment on the internal politics of other nations. I will not comment on those issues, regardless how interesting they are.

Perhaps if more folks from other nations would pay more attention to what thier gov'ts were up to the citizens of those countries would be better served.