Wouldn't it be cool if they modeled MUSH?

[Quagmire]

I was sitting back and drooling over the latest interior shots of SHIV and I caught myself thinking, "Why don't they model famous people from the sub war?". I mean instead of that goofy lookin (bearded Amish man as someone put it) XO why not have good ol' Mush Morton standing there?

OK I know that technically YOU are Mush in the sim but he must have been an XO at one point. At that rate go ahead and model Dick O'Kane. We have the pictures...



I would be pretty cool to see these guys on your boat, eh!

[_Seth_]

Making face-skins isnt difficult, i think... It could be done... The question is: Will SHIV be as easy to mod as SHIII...?

[iambecomelife]

I don't think they'd want to include Mush, mainly because of that ... incident with the sunken troopship's lifeboats ... too controversial.

[Torplexed]

Wouldn't be cool if they modeled the mush being served in the ship's galley? Yummers!

[bookworm_020]

Will there be an ice cream machine on board? or a one arm bandit in the torpedo room?? Better get the modders on to it!

[dean_acheson]

I don't think that Mush is too controversial (sp), I mean for goodness sake, we are currently playing as Nazis.

I'd love to have him modeled. Mush was a real skipper, fighting a war with different rules than the ones in Europe. Much of the Pacific was a no quarters battle... horrible, horrible, horrible stuff.

I can't say that in '42 after the stories of the Death March started filtering back, that I wouldn't have done the same as Mush. You would hope that one could retain chunks of their humanity, but I doubt it.......

[ober lt lare]

lay off mush he is a hero just like all the submariners on eternal patrol how can you judge mush when you were not on patrol with him you dont know the full curcumstances on why he did what he did all i know is mush has been found and we should honor him for all the good work he did as a submarine commander in the pacific i for one i would go out on an eternal patrol with him i think he is a hero and thats my opinion

ober lt lare

[AG124]

I don't know if it would be because of the incident Iambecomelife mentioned, but I still agree that they would not model Mush Morton or any other specific commander. Maybe because they would feel it would be disrespectful to them or their families somehow, although they would probably have the legal right to do so. But I might be wrong - I don't know.

[Harry Buttle]

Originally Posted by ober lt lare

lay off mush he is a hero just like all the submariners on eternal patrol how can you judge mush when you were not on patrol with him you dont know the full curcumstances on why he did what he did all

I disagree with the 'if you weren't there you can't judge' approach, on that basis, if you haven't marched Jews into gas chambers you can't condemn concentration camp guards?

However, given the situation, Morton was probably justified, it is legal to shoot paratroopers under canopy, but not downed pilots - the reasoning being that the downed pilot is out of combat, the para is heading into combat, similar situation here, the troops were in boats and if they get to shore, they can join the battle.

[iambecomelife]

Originally Posted by ober lt lare

lay off mush he is a hero just like all the submariners on eternal patrol how can you judge mush when you were not on patrol with him you dont know the full curcumstances on why he did what he did all i know is mush has been found and we should honor him for all the good work he did as a submarine commander in the pacific i for one i would go out on an eternal patrol with him i think he is a hero and thats my opinion

ober lt lare

I didn't mean to attack him in any way. I wasn't even commenting on whether his behavior was right or wrong; just that, since many game companies like to avoid controversy, it is not likely that they would want to include him and thus hurt sales.

As for the incident itself, there is still a dispute about what actually happened. The sub's crew said they received small arms fire from one of the boats; I'm sure that the Japanese, OTOH would deny this. It may never be possible to learn what happened because all of the witnesses (assuming they're still alive) would have had one sort of bias or another...

[geetrue]

All ya'll need is a couple of beers and some boxing gloves ... Great arguement ... We would be glad to have it over here ...

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/forumdisplay.php?f=175

Respect the men that had to do what they had to do and remember we all get judged someday.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by geetrue

All ya'll need is a couple of beers and some boxing gloves ... Great arguement ... We would be glad to have it over here ...

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/forumdisplay.php?f=175

That is not entirely true. In fact, I was just sitting back, thinking about how happy I am that this is not on the forum that I moderate. I see the 137th rehashing of this topic as fruitless, and without productive merit. Furthermore, we have a version of it on this SHIV forum, and do not need a duplicate. Be prepared to see any migration of this topic locked with prejudice.

Back to your discussion.

[Safe-Keeper]

Thank you, you have made my point for me, parachutists who eject from damaged a/c are FLIGHT CREW, as opposed to Paratroopers who are combatants and liable to be shot under canopy.

You really expect me to read your post 100% accurately at mid-night while I'm suffering from the phenomenon known as "fatigue" brought about by Visitation Service Training, 60 minutes long travel to and from school, and exam preparations? How was I supposed to register that it specifically said "paratroppers"?

Give me a break. Grumble, grumble.

(OK, OK, I'm sorry:p)

As for shipwrecked marines, however:

Abstract

[S]hipwrecks
Shipwrecked combatants are afforded protections by the Second Geneva Convention, regardless of the cause of the wreck and including forced landings at sea or from aircraft. (Convention II, Art. 12)

Entire article

Art. 12. Members of the armed forces and other persons mentioned in the following Article, who are at sea and who are wounded, sick or shipwrecked, shall be respected and protected in all circumstances, it being understood that the term "shipwreck" means shipwreck from any cause and includes forced landings at sea by or from aircraft.

Such persons shall be treated humanely and cared for by the Parties to the conflict in whose power they may be, without any adverse distinction founded on sex, race, nationality, religion, political opinions, or any other similar criteria. Any attempts upon their lives, or violence to their persons, shall be strictly prohibited; in particular, they shall not be murdered or exterminated, subjected to torture or to biological experiments; they shall not wilfully be left without medical assistance and care, nor shall conditions exposing them to contagion or infection be created.

Only urgent medical reasons will authorize priority in the order of treatment to be administered.

Women shall be treated with all consideration due to their sex.

So the way I read it, while you can shoot paratroopers descending in distress, you can't shoot shipwrecked marines. Please feel free to point out mistakes, though.

[AVGWarhawk]

[quote=Quagmire]I was sitting back and drooling over the latest interior shots of SHIV and I caught myself thinking, "Why don't they model famous people from the sub war?". I mean instead of that goofy lookin (bearded Amish man as someone put it) XO why not have good ol' Mush Morton standing there?

Ah man, I thought the same thing with the dude with the beard. He looks like Amos out of Lancaster PA. LOL. Dude I got a good laugh out of your comment on that sailor.:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[geetrue]

I just want to see Don Rickles as the cook ...