Enboldened by the cut and run folks

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Ok refresh my memory, what exactly did Iraq have to do with the islamic raghead's that decided to park a couple airliners into the WTC?

Im listening really hard, and all i can hear is cricket's on that one.

The truth is, Iraq has abosutly NOTHING to do with Sept 11th. What happened was Bush worked us all up into a frenzy playing on the average american's patriotism.

After septh 11th, Junior decided that we were going to wage a war against a nationless entity in the traditional sense as if it were an acutal nation. Afghanistan we were on target, Afghanistan was a direct response and the appropriate one. After that we went off on this tangent fueled by paranoia.

That paranoia being, "OMG OMG Hussien has teh WMD!'s to sell to teh ragheads!" Maybe he did at some point, but history sure hasn't shown it. Are we still talking about 9/11? No, i dont think so. Now we're talking about trying to combat a nationless enity by a using a rulebook that this entity does not follow. Radical Islam and Jihad is not a nation, it's an idea, a beleif, and it's spreading like wildfire - you can't combat that by traditional means. Our attempting to do so, has only made it worse, and now we're stuck between a rock and a hardplace.

(edit: BTW, WMD is NOT the proper term, it's NBC )

The point here is US government was fed the wrong information and pointedly so by Colin Powell who adminted publically that the information on WMD were tanted. He resigned afterwards. Furthermore, it was not that Iraq started the terrorist act but that Iraq habored terrrorists. In hingsight, Iraq is nothing but oil and that is all this war is about. Do not fool yourself into thinking we really are looking to instill democracy there, we are establishing a foothold to the vast oil fields. The terrorist attack on 9/11 was a good excuse to claim Iraq was directly or indirectly involved and although not responsible for this particular terrorist attack, Iraq has the ability to conduct terrorist attacks on a larger scale to which we found out later for lack of finding WMD in Iraq did not really matter as we are there now and in control of the oil flow. ITS ALL ABOUT THE OIL. Iraq is going to be filthy rich once they grow up. We just want to be their parent during the growing process so Iraq feels that they owe the US something after the smoke clears. That something is about 25 billion barrels of oil a day.

[TarJak]

I think there was a fair bit of Cheney's "I thought we should have kept going all the way to Baghdad" from the first oil war, being whispered into Junior's ear as well!

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by TarJak

I think there was a fair bit of Cheney's "I thought we should have kept going all the way to Baghdad" from the first oil war, being whispered into Junior's ear as well!

The job should have been finished the first time. No doubt. It's all about the oil. What, does everyone really think we like Kuiwat? Come on people, Iraq wanted the oil fields. We decided to show this a humanitarian effort (hehe) and also save those oil fields. Now that we are done that,we want the Iraqi oil fields also. Just another strategic oil reserve for the US!

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

It's all about the oil.

Refresher: .

Heh.

[AVGWarhawk]

I will have to watch that at home. No speakers at work. Looks interesting!

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I will have to watch that at home. No speakers at work. Looks interesting!

The text of many of the quotes therein have been posted here already a long time ago but this is a well produced video compilation of many but by far not all of them.

[AVGWarhawk]

Just reading the quotes and then the turn coat democrates here in the US when WMD were not found. Politics are really something else. I believe there was WMD. They were either taken apart or transported out of the country.

[tycho102]

I can't believe we're still discussing WMDs. The invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with "area denial weapons" (otherwise known as chemical weapons). It was about the fifth pillar of islam. The one that says "you must pay money to support jihad against the kuffar".

1. The moslems hit the world trade center. Yell "Praise allah -- allah is greatest" such as to strike fear into your enemies.
2. Surrender is not an immediate option because it would be bad for business (i.e. Republicans control congress).
3. Who do you hit back?

Whomever you can.

One is just as good as another, because they all support jihad against against the kuffar. We'd have invaded Morroco just the same as Egypt or Saudi Arabia or Turkey. They are all jihadist cessbuckets. The difference is we could justify Iraq and Afghanistan. There are liberals who say "OMFG!! BUT IT WASN'T JUSTIFIED!!" And yet, we managed to do it anyway. France, Spain, Holland, and Belgium didn't boycott us (consequently shutting down their own economy), nor did they invade us, nor did they send troops to stop us. We can discuss history, and certainly the invasion was poorly done -- it seems to be an actual failure of modern-era Republicans to understand secure borders. Area denial weapons were just the excuse, and it worked because the surrender monkeys had to wait for the election to do something about it.

Anyway, we destabilized the region. It is my utmost hope that, 25 years from now, GWB will be remembered as the guy who got us off oil. From 1950-2010 was a stable cesspool of economic survival, and only through destabilization and risk did we ever break the easy way (arab oil).

Iran will take over Iraq, and the ****es will annhilate (genocide? arabs against persians, maybe) the Sunni. Saudi Arabia will get a nice glut of al-Queda and other Sunni groups, and they'll start bombing their pipelines. Gas will go up like a Saturn-V rocket, rattling windows for miles around, and cities in California will start rolling blackouts even in the winter. Old people will be dying of heat exhaustion (and hypothermia) at a rate never encountered before (a thousand per month per 1,000,000 population), and interstate electrical transfer will be non existent (too much load on the steel wires).

At THAT point, we'll see some real progress. I hate that people have to die, that our country believes in emergency medicine instead of preventative medicine, that energy availablity has to become a survival crisis, but that is our entire history. It was that way in 1812 when our sailors were being impressed. It was that way during the War of Succession. It was that way with the Zimmerman telegram, and Apollo 1.

It logically has to be that way with oil. The sooner the better, because it will cost less.


edit-- Shi-ites. There are two i's in that particular english interpretation of the Shi'a, regardless of the word filter.

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Refresher: .

Heh.

Lets not forget this one.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

Lets not forget this one.

Powell responded back in a 2004 interview with exactly what he meant and what was assumed.

I haven't bothered checking but I'm sure clarification of Rice's statement is out there on the Internet for the taking just as well.

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

I haven't bothered checking but I'm sure clarification of Rice's statement is out there on the Internet for the taking just as well.

Kind of funny they both needed to clarify what they said don't you think. Especially funny considering both their jobs depends on being understood, to mean what they say and have no room for errors in being misunderstood.
Yep, very funny indeed.:hmm:

:hmm:

Originally Posted by bradclark1

Kind of funny they both needed to clarify what they said don't you think. Especially funny considering both their jobs depends on being understood, to mean what they say and have no room for errors in being misunderstood.
Yep, very funny indeed.:hmm:

"Depends on what the definition of is is".:hmm:

[August]

Originally Posted by waste gate

:hmm:

"Depends on what the definition of is is".:hmm:

Or "Let me say this about that".

[Sailor Steve]

I have no idea how to find things on YouTube, but there was another one I saw some time ago which showed Kerry's ongoing criticizm of the Clinton administration throughout the '90s for not going after Saddam because he 'knew' Saddam had WMDs.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I have no idea how to find things on YouTube, but there was another one I saw some time ago which showed Kerry's ongoing criticizm of the Clinton administration throughout the '90s for not going after Saddam because he 'knew' Saddam had WMDs.

? At about the 1 minute mark.

EDIT: Hahahahaha! Love the music selection!!!!!!!!!!!!