UK Politics Thread - Page 399

Skybird · 02-08-17, 04:14 PM

Not before now I have started to take the reality of Brexit happening as indeed granted.

My sympathy is with the UK. However, the UK does not hold 750 billions in TARGET saldi like stupid Germany. Its easier for the UK to take the risk of damaging the Euro than it would be for Germany.

Oberon · 02-08-17, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by August

AND BTW have I mentioned how much I hate the 120 second delay between posts!!!

We've got common ground on that one.

I understand why it's in place, but it is rather irksome.

Catfish · 02-09-17, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Not before now I have started to take the reality of Brexit happening as indeed granted.

My sympathy is with the UK. However, the UK does not hold 750 billions in TARGET saldi like stupid Germany. Its easier for the UK to take the risk of damaging the Euro than it would be for Germany.

Oh don't care for damaging anything anymore, the EU is doomed anyway or so you say, and then it will be "US FIRST" for each single nation again, and screw the others.

Wishing "them" the best. The citizens, yes, but not types like Farage. And Mrs May gets not much sympathy from me, not for running to Trump, and not for the Erdoghan weapons deal. It seems there is no other civilian plan around when it comes to economy. Maybe she can also make a deal with Assad to finance the Brexit?

The UN says that the Assad regime kills so many detainees it amounts to extermination of civilian population.
But who is the UN anyway, all those superfluous civilists, costing too much money and consisting only of leftists. Dissolve them and make all nations great again!

Jimbuna · 02-09-17, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

The UN says that the Assad regime kills so many detainees it amounts to extermination of civilian population.
But who is the UN anyway, all those superfluous civilists, costing too much money and consisting only of leftists. Dissolve them and make all nations great again!

Best ask that of the POTUS. He pulls the plug on the finances and the ship will sink quicker than the Titanic.

Jimbuna · 02-09-17, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b076856217a030

Running low on back bencher's JC? At this rate he may have to ask the SNP if they got a spare back bencher or two.

Jeremy reckons Clive Lewis quitting is not a disaster.

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The resignation of shadow business secretary Clive Lewis to vote against the Brexit bill was "not a disaster", Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has said.
The party backed the government in Wednesday's vote, but 52 MPs rebelled.
Mr Lewis quit, saying he could not "in all conscience" support triggering Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, getting talks with the EU under way.
But Mr Corbyn told the BBC that Labour had been right to "respect" the result of last year's EU referendum.
He dismissed as "fake news" and "absolute nonsense" suggestions that he was considering his own future as Labour leader.

Now where have I heard the term 'fake news' lately?

Oberon · 02-09-17, 06:51 AM

Well, EDF is going to be having a good day today, people around Hinckley and here will be looking at the news with a bit of concern.

Catfish · 02-09-17, 06:59 AM

I do not think it is a "disaster" as well.

It is a difficult situation:
- A representative democracy, with experts (ahem politicians but .. lol) usually deciding for the people, or the greater good
- A referendum, that probably was not the best of decisions, but has to be obeyed. Even if the majority was neither big, nor did all vote
- Personal concience of what some think will harm the UK, or at least England
- The official party line, which of course has to obey the referendum.

The parliament decisions of both houses were the last straw to reject the outcome of the referendum at the last moment, so some people obviously felt that their personal conscience could not agree to the party line, and they sure did not do that lightheartedly.
And this is probably better than "blind obedience", although i admit this sounds too negative.

I think they had to agree, and the majority did. Good. That some try to what they see as to be a prevention of trouble lying ahead, shows that their personal conscience was more worth to them than the party line. This is not negative, but will certainly be seen as "treacherous", by some.

Is all this really Corbyn's fault?

Oberon · 02-09-17, 08:21 AM

Catfish · 02-09-17, 08:41 AM

^

When someone posts a YouTube link here, my FireFox browser shows nothing – all empty.

I also do not see the YT videos in the Music thread, not in FF.

No Problem with Win 10 Edge browser, but i'd prefer FF

Fubar2Niner · 02-09-17, 08:42 AM

@Oberon

Makes perfect sense to me

Jimbuna · 02-09-17, 09:15 AM

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Clear?

Clear as mud

Oberon · 02-09-17, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

^

When someone posts a YouTube link here, my FireFox browser shows nothing – all empty.

I also do not see the YT videos in the Music thread, not in FF.

No Problem with Win 10 Edge browser, but i'd prefer FF

That's pretty impressive since that's not a YT vid.

Try these links and see which one loads, the top one is an imgur link and the bottom is where I got it from which is twitter.

http://i.imgur.com/8hu2uN4.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4ODYG3WEAAoslk.jpg

Catfish · 02-10-17, 03:00 AM

^ Thanks, worked. Still wondering about Firefox, will ahve a look into this over weekend.

And now it is all ~~queer~~ clear to me

Yes funny article, but holding some truth. It is embarassing for Corbyn, but on the other hand they at least followed their own conscience instead of a party doctrine.

In Germany, if we had e.g. a referendum at a certain moment like after a terrorist attack about death penalty, i am sure that it would come through. Kicking out foreigners? Of course. Make Germany great again? Why "again", not necessary

But you get the idea. People are not reasonable at times, and some never. Ask them about things they do not really understand, or prefer to act with a gut feeling instead of thinking? Populism rules then..

At the latest after this referendum, we should really think about what democracy is, and if we want to go on like this. More referendums sounds good, but might backfire. A college professor has the same voting power like a bum. Sounds elitist but is true. Shall we have a vote over nuclear power if most of the people do not understand it at all, nor do they care? Climate change?

Jimbuna · 02-10-17, 06:18 AM

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NHS Health Check: Hunt says NHS problems 'unacceptable'

Nothing like stating the obvious Jeremy....but this one is Hunt

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38926697

Catfish · 02-10-17, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BL!TZKR!EG

[...]Sometimes I ask myself why there is no GERMAN politics thread.

Shhh don't bring on ideas

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Everytime I pay a visit to that country I am left with an ill feeling: I have travelled three quarters of the world, but the is no other country as sick as Germany is. No other country on the globe finds it politically correct or even adequaete to sabotage itself.

Well it's the german gallows humour, which is often much darker than what other countries have, or maybe understand (maybe scandinavians). Being serious about oneself is not popular, in Germany. It is there but boasting with it or showing pride is considered as arrogant, showing off, and very uncool.
It wasn't even serious before or in WW2, the government was and gave the impression. German jokes mocking the Fuehrer were much more acid and mean than what allied peopaganda could have done. Monty P. was a good approach though. But we are laughing at others too, they just don't get it

Ok, i of course understand what you mean

02-08-17, 04:14 PM	#5971
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,664 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Not before now I have started to take the reality of Brexit happening as indeed granted. My sympathy is with the UK. However, the UK does not hold 750 billions in TARGET saldi like stupid Germany. Its easier for the UK to take the risk of damaging the Euro than it would be for Germany. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

02-09-17, 06:59 AM	#5977
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,912 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	I do not think it is a "disaster" as well. It is a difficult situation: - A representative democracy, with experts (ahem politicians but .. lol) usually deciding for the people, or the greater good - A referendum, that probably was not the best of decisions, but has to be obeyed. Even if the majority was neither big, nor did all vote - Personal concience of what some think will harm the UK, or at least England - The official party line, which of course has to obey the referendum. The parliament decisions of both houses were the last straw to reject the outcome of the referendum at the last moment, so some people obviously felt that their personal conscience could not agree to the party line, and they sure did not do that lightheartedly. And this is probably better than "blind obedience", although i admit this sounds too negative. I think they had to agree, and the majority did. Good. That some try to what they see as to be a prevention of trouble lying ahead, shows that their personal conscience was more worth to them than the party line. This is not negative, but will certainly be seen as "treacherous", by some. Is all this really Corbyn's fault? __________________ >^..^<)))>{ All generalizations are wrong. Last edited by Catfish; 02-09-17 at 07:04 AM. Reason: Typos, mouse ate my keyboard again*

02-09-17, 08:41 AM	#5979
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,912 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ When someone posts a YouTube link here, my FireFox browser shows nothing – all empty. I also do not see the YT videos in the Music thread, not in FF. No Problem with Win 10 Edge browser, but i'd prefer FF __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

02-10-17, 03:00 AM	#5983
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,912 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ Thanks, worked. Still wondering about Firefox, will ahve a look into this over weekend. And now it is all ~~queer~~ clear to me Yes funny article, but holding some truth. It is embarassing for Corbyn, but on the other hand they at least followed their own conscience instead of a party doctrine. In Germany, if we had e.g. a referendum at a certain moment like after a terrorist attack about death penalty, i am sure that it would come through. Kicking out foreigners? Of course. Make Germany great again? Why "again", not necessary But you get the idea. People are not reasonable at times, and some never. Ask them about things they do not really understand, or prefer to act with a gut feeling instead of thinking? Populism rules then.. At the latest after this referendum, we should really think about what democracy is, and if we want to go on like this. More referendums sounds good, but might backfire. A college professor has the same voting power like a bum. Sounds elitist but is true. Shall we have a vote over nuclear power if most of the people do not understand it at all, nor do they care? Climate change? __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

02-09-17, 06:51 AM	#5976
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Well, EDF is going to be having a good day today, people around Hinckley and here will be looking at the news with a bit of concern.

02-09-17, 08:21 AM	#5978
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20

02-09-17, 08:42 AM	#5980
Fubar2Niner Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: London. UK Posts: 4,139 Downloads: 275 Uploads: 0	@Oberon Makes perfect sense to me