Here we go again-Ukraine once again - Page 387

Catfish · 08-20-22, 05:15 PM

I am a bit disappointed. The daugher of russian fascist chief ideologist Dugin (New Russia etc. blah, we had this here some time ago) has been blown up in a car. Seems they changed cars shortly before.

https://au.topnews.media/ukraine/the...2-0028-abroad/

Well...

Dargo · 08-20-22, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

I am a bit disappointed. The daugher of russian fascist chief ideologist Dugin (New Russia etc. blah, we had this here some time ago) has been blown up in a car. Seems they changed cars shortly before.

https://au.topnews.media/ukraine/the...2-0028-abroad/

Well...

Daughter of the prominent Russian Nazi ideologist Alexander Dugin, Darya Platonova (Dugina) was an outspoken supporter of the Russian Nazi ideology like father, like daughter

Skybird · 08-20-22, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

I am a bit disappointed. The daugher of russian fascist chief ideologist Dugin (New Russia etc. blah, we had this here some time ago) has been blown up in a car. Seems they changed cars shortly before.

https://au.topnews.media/ukraine/the...2-0028-abroad/

Well...

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Dargo · 08-20-22, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Be advised that that link triggers a security warning and gets blocked by Malwarebyte'S Antimalware Scanner, categorizing it as "riskware".

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-car-bomb.html

Jimbuna · 08-21-22, 06:52 AM

Jimbuna · 08-21-22, 07:23 AM

Jimbuna · 08-21-22, 07:40 AM

Jimbuna · 08-21-22, 07:47 AM

Hghlights of destruction of Russian equipment during the week. VIDEO

Jimbuna · 08-21-22, 09:09 AM

Skybird · 08-21-22, 10:13 AM

Growing anger over Germany's muddling-through. FCOUS writes:

Former Estonian President Toomas Hendrik Ilves makes serious accusations against the German government. They should be taken seriously - because he is not the first to complain about Germany's "moral double standards" with which the chancellor is trying to muddle through.

Before we get right to it here, a few notes on Toomas Hendrik Ilves. The man who would later become Estonian foreign minister and then president was born in Sweden after his parents fled there to escape the Russians. He studied in the United States, more precisely in Cambridge. Ilves is a social democrat.

One had better take Ilves seriously, if only because he is neither the only nor the first to complain about Germany's "moral double standards," which the chancellor in particular uses to try to muddle through. We know this from the Polish government.

The consequences of Scholz's "muddling through" can be seen in the chancellor's failed meeting with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. First Scholz remained silent, then he delayed in condemning Abbas's anti-Semitic outbursts, and in the meantime and even afterwards, Scholz's communications chief took responsibility for the chancellor's lack of reflexes. Before Scholz's mishap with Abbas happened, Scholz afforded himself another foreign policy dubiousness:

To the chagrin of other European countries such as the three Baltic states and Finland, which is in the process of joining NATO, Scholz declared Russia's attempt to wipe out Ukraine "Putin's war." By which he tried to avert a visa ban on ordinary Russians - for which the Eastern Europeans are lobbying.

For they do not consider the war of aggression to be the exclusive affair of the Russian head of government, but see the Russian people as jointly responsible. A view with which Olaf Scholz has "difficulty." What makes Scholz's word about "Putin's war" so problematic is Germany's past. It is reminiscent of the attempt by Germans to relativize their involvement in the Nazi atrocities by saying that it was "Hitler's war.

And now to the Estonian statesman Ilves, and how he "sees Germany and its role in Europe".

Even before the Ukraine war, Germany's policy had been "to do as little as possible, to promise as little as possible and to postpone as long as possible what was promised. In other words, nothing changed when the war began, an allusion to Germany's arms export policy. As a reminder, the promised "ring swap" - Eastern Europeans deliver ex-Soviet tanks and get German equipment in return - still does not exist.

Ilves rightly points out that Russian dissidents do not need tourist visas at all, because the European Union grants visas for humanitarian reasons; asylum, for example. Scholz's refusal to support a visa ban for Russians willing to travel therefore lacks any logic.

And that's not all: Scholz "knows very well" that the Russians, for their part, would have terminated the travel facilitation agreement with the European Union. This is also correct, because: On April 4, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed Decree No. 183 on "visa retaliation in connection with unfriendly actions by foreign states." But, instead of now reacting to this in turn with a visa ban, Germany under the Scholz government prefers to play the "moral superpower."

Ilves then - slyly - rejects the assumption that what the German government is doing is a de facto repetition of the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact. A reminder of the Hitler-Stalin Pact of 1939, by which the two totalitarian dictators divided Poland between themselves and thus wiped it out. Ilves now says one might come up with the Ribbentrop-Molotov comparison - given the "slimy" behavior of Gerhard Schröder and the Ostausschuss der Deutschen Wirtschaft (Committee on Eastern European Economic Relations) - two key players who for years pursued Germany's energy policy extradition to Russia. However, he said, that was not his view.

But if not Ribbentrop/Molotov, then what? The main reproach to Scholz follows. Ilves: "I think Germany wants to position itself as an 'honest broker' to show Russia it's not one of those 'crazy Russophobic Eastern Europeans' or a 'warmongering Yank' - hoping that Russia will take this from Germany and give it back its advantages in the future."

As an attempt to get more gas from Russia again, this might even work, Ilves says. However, because of its selfish energy policy and its "economic duplicity," Germany has lost any claim to be taken seriously by the rest of Europe.

Ilves recalls the German accusations against the Greeks in the euro crisis, those of "moral hazard" - which are now backfiring on Germany itself. In the meantime, Germany itself is the moral problem, and that's not all.

Ilves: "The Franco-German engine has turned out to be as creditworthy as VW's data on diesel exhaust emissions." And the ex-president goes one better: nothing will be able to stop Germany from this egoistic claim of wanting to be a broker with regard to Russia. But then Germany "will negotiate with Russia alone. The rest of us will not join in. It will be a lonesome dance ("just a lonesome pas de deux").

Carlo Masala, the internationally respected foreign policy analyst from the Bundeswehr University in Munich, puts the former president's fierce statement in political terms. He says that one does not have to agree with everything he says, but at least it shows "how Central and Eastern Europe and the Baltic states look at us." And he, too, wondered:

"What advantage does Germany expect from this?"

Jimbuna · 08-21-22, 10:26 AM

Quote:

"The Franco-German engine has turned out to be as creditworthy as VW's data on diesel exhaust emissions."

mapuc · 08-21-22, 11:17 AM

Seem to have read more of this than this one

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The Russian army fights among itself-Buryats and "Kadyrovtsy" staged a firefight among themselves for control over the city in Vasylivka, the Zaporizhzhia region

Both sides are reported to have taken significant losses

https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/stat...74457893195776

They the Russian is going down the drain.

Markus

Jimbuna · 08-21-22, 01:10 PM

How my heart bleeds for them.

Catfish · 08-21-22, 02:53 PM

"Do you mean the firefight between Russian soldiers and the Don Don's? That was over loot. They were driving away the loot the Russian soldiers collected and the Russians decided to fight it out with the Chechens."

Lmao. How f'ed up is this russian 'army' anyway?

Older interview with Dugin from 2017. You know the guy telling that Russia should become a "superpower" again and explaining the steps to achieve that, called the brain of Putin, one sick "philosopher".
Whose daughter has been killed in an assassination aimed at Mr Dugin himself.

"You proposed that Russia annexes Ukraine, you suggested that Britain should be encouraged to leave the EU [...] And it is happening right from your textbook. [...]"

Skybird · 08-21-22, 03:37 PM

I prefer another quote by him, from 2014 or 2015. About Ukrainians he said:

"Kill them all, you just gotta kill them all. Leave nobody, kill them all."

08-20-22, 05:15 PM	#5791
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,904 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	I am a bit disappointed. The daugher of russian fascist chief ideologist Dugin (New Russia etc. blah, we had this here some time ago) has been blown up in a car. Seems they changed cars shortly before. https://au.topnews.media/ukraine/the...2-0028-abroad/ Well... __________________ >^..^<)))>{ All generalizations are wrong. Last edited by Catfish; 08-20-22 at 05:24 PM.*

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08-21-22, 07:47 AM	#5798
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08-21-22, 09:09 AM	#5799
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08-21-22, 10:13 AM	#5800
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,633 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Growing anger over Germany's muddling-through. FCOUS writes: Former Estonian President Toomas Hendrik Ilves makes serious accusations against the German government. They should be taken seriously - because he is not the first to complain about Germany's "moral double standards" with which the chancellor is trying to muddle through. Before we get right to it here, a few notes on Toomas Hendrik Ilves. The man who would later become Estonian foreign minister and then president was born in Sweden after his parents fled there to escape the Russians. He studied in the United States, more precisely in Cambridge. Ilves is a social democrat. One had better take Ilves seriously, if only because he is neither the only nor the first to complain about Germany's "moral double standards," which the chancellor in particular uses to try to muddle through. We know this from the Polish government. The consequences of Scholz's "muddling through" can be seen in the chancellor's failed meeting with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. First Scholz remained silent, then he delayed in condemning Abbas's anti-Semitic outbursts, and in the meantime and even afterwards, Scholz's communications chief took responsibility for the chancellor's lack of reflexes. Before Scholz's mishap with Abbas happened, Scholz afforded himself another foreign policy dubiousness: To the chagrin of other European countries such as the three Baltic states and Finland, which is in the process of joining NATO, Scholz declared Russia's attempt to wipe out Ukraine "Putin's war." By which he tried to avert a visa ban on ordinary Russians - for which the Eastern Europeans are lobbying. For they do not consider the war of aggression to be the exclusive affair of the Russian head of government, but see the Russian people as jointly responsible. A view with which Olaf Scholz has "difficulty." What makes Scholz's word about "Putin's war" so problematic is Germany's past. It is reminiscent of the attempt by Germans to relativize their involvement in the Nazi atrocities by saying that it was "Hitler's war. And now to the Estonian statesman Ilves, and how he "sees Germany and its role in Europe". Even before the Ukraine war, Germany's policy had been "to do as little as possible, to promise as little as possible and to postpone as long as possible what was promised. In other words, nothing changed when the war began, an allusion to Germany's arms export policy. As a reminder, the promised "ring swap" - Eastern Europeans deliver ex-Soviet tanks and get German equipment in return - still does not exist. Ilves rightly points out that Russian dissidents do not need tourist visas at all, because the European Union grants visas for humanitarian reasons; asylum, for example. Scholz's refusal to support a visa ban for Russians willing to travel therefore lacks any logic. And that's not all: Scholz "knows very well" that the Russians, for their part, would have terminated the travel facilitation agreement with the European Union. This is also correct, because: On April 4, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed Decree No. 183 on "visa retaliation in connection with unfriendly actions by foreign states." But, instead of now reacting to this in turn with a visa ban, Germany under the Scholz government prefers to play the "moral superpower." Ilves then - slyly - rejects the assumption that what the German government is doing is a de facto repetition of the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact. A reminder of the Hitler-Stalin Pact of 1939, by which the two totalitarian dictators divided Poland between themselves and thus wiped it out. Ilves now says one might come up with the Ribbentrop-Molotov comparison - given the "slimy" behavior of Gerhard Schröder and the Ostausschuss der Deutschen Wirtschaft (Committee on Eastern European Economic Relations) - two key players who for years pursued Germany's energy policy extradition to Russia. However, he said, that was not his view. But if not Ribbentrop/Molotov, then what? The main reproach to Scholz follows. Ilves: "I think Germany wants to position itself as an 'honest broker' to show Russia it's not one of those 'crazy Russophobic Eastern Europeans' or a 'warmongering Yank' - hoping that Russia will take this from Germany and give it back its advantages in the future." As an attempt to get more gas from Russia again, this might even work, Ilves says. However, because of its selfish energy policy and its "economic duplicity," Germany has lost any claim to be taken seriously by the rest of Europe. Ilves recalls the German accusations against the Greeks in the euro crisis, those of "moral hazard" - which are now backfiring on Germany itself. In the meantime, Germany itself is the moral problem, and that's not all. Ilves: "The Franco-German engine has turned out to be as creditworthy as VW's data on diesel exhaust emissions." And the ex-president goes one better: nothing will be able to stop Germany from this egoistic claim of wanting to be a broker with regard to Russia. But then Germany "will negotiate with Russia alone. The rest of us will not join in. It will be a lonesome dance ("just a lonesome pas de deux"). Carlo Masala, the internationally respected foreign policy analyst from the Bundeswehr University in Munich, puts the former president's fierce statement in political terms. He says that one does not have to agree with everything he says, but at least it shows "how Central and Eastern Europe and the Baltic states look at us." And he, too, wondered: "What advantage does Germany expect from this?" __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-21-22, 01:10 PM	#5803
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08-21-22, 02:53 PM	#5804
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,904 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	"Do you mean the firefight between Russian soldiers and the Don Don's? That was over loot. They were driving away the loot the Russian soldiers collected and the Russians decided to fight it out with the Chechens." Lmao. How f'ed up is this russian 'army' anyway? Older interview with Dugin from 2017. You know the guy telling that Russia should become a "superpower" again and explaining the steps to achieve that, called the brain of Putin, one sick "philosopher". Whose daughter has been killed in an assassination aimed at Mr Dugin himself. "You proposed that Russia annexes Ukraine, you suggested that Britain should be encouraged to leave the EU [...] And it is happening right from your textbook. [...]" __________________ >^..^<)))>{ All generalizations are wrong. Last edited by Catfish; 08-21-22 at 03:09 PM.*

08-21-22, 03:37 PM	#5805
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,633 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	I prefer another quote by him, from 2014 or 2015. About Ukrainians he said: "Kill them all, you just gotta kill them all. Leave nobody, kill them all." __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.