Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2

[Jimbuna]

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Putin is a wanted man (can't believe I used that word), a war criminal and a tyrant running a country that has now reached the status of being labelled as a pariah by the majority of countries worldwide.

Words. Free of charge.

The majority of these countries still does business with Russia, and violates sanctions. The West thinks it has the majority of the world on its side. That was not the case and sitll is not the case. Regrettable, but true.

Lets face it, for the vast majority of the globe the ukraine war simply does not trigger that much interest like for us, like we do not show too much interest in regional wars here and there. And the times when the West dictates the rest of the world lessons and conditions, are over. Africa and Latin America increasingly define their interests all by themselves and do not listen to Washington, London, Paris or Brussel anymore. Berlin not anyway. Or just look at the Golf region, Saudi Arabia, how it turns its coat. Brasil'S Lula is not the friendly ecologist Westerners hoped him to be.India does it sown thing. South Africa.

No, the West does not represent the majority opinion on the Ukriane war int he world. And those natiosn who need grain, preodmnianntly want Uktriane to play ball and make conessions, so that the grain gets transported again. Ukraine's fate they pay no interest to. Its remarkable how few of these states make Russia responsible for the war and the grain shortage.

[Jimbuna]

To each their own.

[mapuc]

Markus

[tonschk]

Zelensky didn’t even do his compulsory military service. His draft-dodging has long prompted jeers from political opponents.

Up until his decision to run for president in Ukraine’s 2019 election, Volodymyr Zelensky was largely absent from the country’s political history. He played no role in the two upheavals that shook Maidan Square in Kyiv in the first two decades of this century: the Orange Revolution of 2004 and 2005 that compelled election officials to scrap a fraudulent runoff, and the deadly clashes in 2014 that forced pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych from power and invited Russian President Vladimir Putin’s first military intervention. Zelensky didn’t even do his compulsory military service. His draft-dodging has long prompted jeers from political opponents.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/09/03...ine-president/

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by tonschk

Zelensky didn’t even do his compulsory military service. His draft-dodging has long prompted jeers from political opponents.

Up until his decision to run for president in Ukraine’s 2019 election, Volodymyr Zelensky was largely absent from the country’s political history. He played no role in the two upheavals that shook Maidan Square in Kyiv in the first two decades of this century: the Orange Revolution of 2004 and 2005 that compelled election officials to scrap a fraudulent runoff, and the deadly clashes in 2014 that forced pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych from power and invited Russian President Vladimir Putin’s first military intervention. Zelensky didn’t even do his compulsory military service. His draft-dodging has long prompted jeers from political opponents.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/09/03...ine-president/

You sound like a broken record. Get over it-If you can.

[Reece]

Amen to that!!

[Exocet25fr]

Democratic suggestion.....


Ukrainian reconnaissance boat destroyed

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/2...t-in-black-sea

[Skybird]

Russia is not the only one havign problems with morale and conscription.


[Frankfurter Rundschau] After 18 months of war in Ukraine, the willingness of Ukrainian men to go to war is apparently declining, but there are also problems with morale on the Russian side. As a result, the country is struggling to meet its need for soldiers. According to the BBC, Ukraine constantly has to replace tens of thousands of soldiers killed or injured in the war against Russia. Many conscripts try to avoid being drafted by leaving the country or finding other ways to avoid going to the front.

The martial law that has prevailed since the war of aggression began in Ukraine has taken away the men's choice: They have to fight, but many do not want to. This mainly affects men under 60, who are therefore unable to leave Ukraine. According to the BBC, there are only exceptions in the case of serious health problems, single parents and if they are caring for a person in need of protection. Then one can officially avoid conscription. But many try to find unofficial ways.

To avoid being called up, many men leave the country. Those who stay help each other in mass group chats, BBC reports. On Telegram threads, tips are said to be shared about where there are checks or patrols. These chats are said to exist across the country, with more than 100,000 members each, according to the BBC.


This is because trust in the authorities doing the recruiting is also said to have been lost. According to the BBC, there are allegations that would range from corruption to intimidating methods of the officials.

[Aktungbby]

Of particular distress and in today's WSJ: more than 2000 Ukranian children have been brought to Belarus's capital, Minsk. Russia has also taken 20,000 of Ukrainian children out of Ukraine.

The transfer of orphans accross boarders without permission of their home country's government is illegal under international law. Moscow administers the occupied territories and declars them Russian territory, but its claims aren't recognized internationally. In the case of children who aren't conveniently "orphans",itcouldn't be determined whether their families consented to transfer to Belarus.

Videos of the facilities hosting the children show they were given basic arms training, met with Russian Orthodox priests and were regaled with flashy shows glorifying Putin...and calling for the deaths of Biden and Volodymyr Zelensky. This is reminiscent of Hitler's Lebensborn program in 1939 Poland where blond, blue-eyed, Aryan even Jewis kids were removed to Nazi Germany for re-education and nazification while their parents were gassed; ie: indoctrinated cannonfodder. Including the original false flag attack intercepted by US intelligence prior to the Ukranian invasion, Putin's game-plan is a rehash of Hitler's...right down to isolation in the Kremlin as in the Berlin bunker in 1945; ie: Vladimir Putin, an internationally wanted war criminal, does not intend to travel to South Africa to attend the BRIC convention...with his good 'perpetual buddy', Premier Xi!? WW II ended with tactical nukes at Hiroshima and Nagasaki...perhaps one could be deployed on Johannisburg...averting an all-out global WWIII conflgration...but who thinks like that!?

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

You sound like a broken record. Get over it-If you can.

Originally Posted by Reece

Amen to that!!

Yes, I'm slowly coming round to that conclusion as well

[Jimbuna]

[mapuc]

They(F-16) would be shot down as soon as they are detected by the Russian.

This is what some of my friends are convinced of.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Would these people be the kind of 'friends' who predicted the Ukraine would be defeated by the Orcs within days of the invasion?

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Would these people be the kind of 'friends' who predicted the Ukraine would be defeated by the Orcs within days of the invasion?

They are indeed.

Thinking that they wouldn't lose any of these F-16 is wishful thinking.

But losing all of them is not going to happen.

It would be great though if they manage to use them without losses.

Markus