UK Politics Thread

[MGR1]

Originally Posted by STEED

These voters have forgotten the elephant in the room the SNP. Old JC can not win just from England and Wales he needs Scotland as well.

That would require Scottish Labour to be worth voting for.

They aren't.

Originally Posted by Oberon

Amen, colour me astonished that they actually did it. More reasonable actions like this and Labour will be even more sunk than they are now.

I also think that the idea of enshrining all current EU laws in UK law and then trimming back gradually is also a smart move, although what they choose to get rid of will be controversial.

The SNP will still gurn - TORIESBAD/BREXITBAD after all!

Oh. I forgot to add that Labour's autonomy policy for Scottish Labour also applies to Welsh Labour as well. That'll keep Carwyn Jones happy!

So you now have SLab and WLab as semi-autonomous parties umder the broader Labour banner. English Labour (ELab) next?

Mike.

[Oberon]

The markets took the news of Article 50 in March as well as can be expected:



The fact that we seem to be lurching towards a hard Brexit and exiting the single market permanently...well, I think we'll be seeing more of the above.
God alone knows what the farmers are going to do when their subsidies go.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Oberon

[...] well, I think we'll be seeing more of the above. God alone knows what the farmers are going to do when their subsidies go.

Easy, Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson will pay for all..
They knew so well what is better for England and how to handle the situation, so they will pay for it. Personally.

Seriously, the "markets" and "economy" is nothing what you can really predict, or plan. So it still may go up at some point. Also, look at the small numbers at the y-axis, it is not as bad as it seems to be.

[cynical mode ]Ok, up to now the rest of Europe is not overly impressed by what England does, but i guess as long as London remains the main money laundering place for drug cartels (along with Frankfurt), at least the rich can have their say and celebrate their patriotism. [/cyn]

[Jimbuna]

We'll bounce back.......won't we

[MGR1]

"Does the Scottish Parliament hold a veto over Brexit?" by Brian Taylor: LINK.

More potential for constitutional wrangling: LINK.

You could end up in a situation where Westminster as the ultimate UK sovereign body overrules the wishes of the devolved legislatures in Belfast, Cardiff and Edinburgh.

Cue constitutional crisis and not necessarily Holyrood vs Westminster either. It could easily be Stormont or the Senedd.

Mike.

[Jimbuna]

Yeah, interesting times ahead I suspect.

[MGR1]

Bit of a stooshie at Holyrood:

"Row over scrutiny as Scots budget delayed until December": LINK.

Related articel;

"'Fundamental' review of Holyrood budget process launched": LINK.

There seems to be a fundamental dichotomy when it comes to greater power.

On the one hand, the SNP are being extremely cautious, even outright timid, in their plans on how to use what's being devolved just in case they screw up. Therefore they carp on and on that what's being offered doesn't go far enough, i.e. the ability to raise or lower income tax isn't much use without all the other taxation policies which Westminster has at it's disposal. They do have a point.

On the other, Scottish Unionists, particularly the Tories, seem to be afraid of giving any more powers (Full Fiscal Autonomy for example) to the Holyrood parliament just in case the SNP actually make a success of using them. This would completely undermine their main argument, which is that Scotland is economically better off in the Union. Afterall, what good the Union if Scotland is better off running it's own economy using a full suite of powers?

Thus, impasse.

Mike.

[Jimbuna]

Theresa May insists UK economy can withstand Brexit turbulence.

I'd really be interested in knowing what makes her so confident

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37549796

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Theresa May insists UK economy can withstand Brexit turbulence. [..] ]

"Wir schaffen das."
"Ihr schafft das."

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by STEED

So UKIP has a new leader.

Aaaand now they don't, after 18 days in the job she's thrown in the towel.
Wonder if the UKIP emergency committee will elect Nigel Farage to act as leader?

[Jimbuna]

Was wondering that myself

EDIT: Announced only one minute ago.

Nigel Farage says he is back as UKIP's leader after Diane James unexpectedly quit the job after 18 days at the helm.
Speaking to the BBC, Mr Farage said he would be the UK Independence Party's interim leader until a fresh election was held to find Ms James' successor.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37561065

[Oberon]

And now UKIP leadership hopeful Steven Woolfe is in serious condition in hospital, collapsing after an 'altercation' at a UKIP meeting in Strasbourg.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...e=news_central

[Jimbuna]

Certainly keeps them in the news but hopefully he'll make a full recovery.

[STEED]

UKIP is tearing itself apart just like Labour. At this rate may as well vote Tory the way things are going.

[Oberon]

Were it not for their attempts to poach UKIP supporters by going full whacko on foreign workers they would certainly seem like an interesting concept...or perhaps just one of the parties that a) isn't tearing itself apart or b) actually has more than one member.

As it stands though, well: