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09-07-18, 10:51 AM | #5326 | ||
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I'm glad he won ... Clinton would be impeached for sure based on the reported hacked Clinton emails by China alone that resulted in the untimely deaths of many CIA agents within that country
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09-07-18, 04:49 PM | #5327 | |
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I would have preferred it to come in a "Ross Perot" wrapper though. lol
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09-07-18, 11:18 PM | #5328 | |||
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Well it's either fake news or it's evidence of the existence of the deep state that some here dismiss as a crazy conspiracy theory. Put your Trump hatred aside for a moment and consider what this anonymous NYT writer is saying here. This letter claims that there is a shadowy group of high level government officials who have taken it upon themselves to usurp the authority of the President of the United States, the elected leader of our country whenever they feel like it. You and many here in my country seem fine with it because it's against a President you don't like but what happens if one of these anonymous officials feels that the President should push the nuclear button on North Korea and decides to do it for him? You still going to be ok with it then? If this isn't just another piece of fake news, and that remains a definite possibility given the people publishing it, then it is a huge threat to my country. The faster we can get these subversives out of there the better so I see a high turnover as a good thing. Quote:
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I think you have a misguided viewpoint. Trump is not right wing, nor is he left wing, he's a business man with what I believe is a genuine desire to help his country. Unfortunately he's running into a lot of resistance from the establishment political class trying to do it. One other thing, I don't know how it is in your country but the only ones here (with any political power) that are preaching the politics of hate and division is the left. To our Democrats people are white or black or straight or LGBTQ4tuesday!X or whatever little box they can think up to categorize and segregate them so they can play one group off against each other.
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09-08-18, 03:09 AM | #5329 | |||
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What you want is that the anonymous source volunteers for standing up against the wall and does not move, so that he or she can be easier shot. How stupid you think this person is? He or she said they do a job - trying to sabotage the worst of all stuff Trump spits on his table. Damage containment. Different to do if you hand yourself over. There is a reason why reporters and journalists protect their sources as best as they can. Else it would be the end of - especially investigative - journalism and free press. What is left then, is propaganda and agitation the kind of which Trump lives from.
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09-08-18, 06:11 AM | #5330 | |
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09-08-18, 06:12 AM | #5331 |
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^ You should introduce this in Russia
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09-08-18, 07:09 AM | #5332 | |||||
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They do not know what to do so they act in a hysterical or overly dramatic fashion. This plays well on CNN and MSNBC but gives Trump exactly the narrative he needs. A perfect example of this is Sen. Cory Bookers' performance at the Supreme Court nomination hearing. It is hard to take people like this seriously. I've said it before and I'll repeat it. Progressives/Democrats/liberals have no clue about what to do about Trump. It shows.
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09-08-18, 07:30 AM | #5333 |
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Over the past decade, it appears that we have had a serious ( in my opinion) degradation of professionalism.
Being a professional is not just being paid for something, but it is also voluntarily abiding by a set of ethics of that profession even if they differ from your own. But more and more we read stories about people violating the ethics of the profession they voluntarily joined because of personal feelings. I only see this getting worse. Anyone who has read my posts here knows that I don't approve of Trump as our president. I think he is a buffoon and emotionally unsuited for the position. But, at the same time, I am upset that professionals (so called professionals) in his administration are doing such things. 1. If you don't approve of what Trump is doing, then resign from your Trump administration position 2. If you feel that Trump is doing something illegal, then there are multiple appropriate venues for reporting such suspected illegal activities. But what you should not be able to do is stay in a Trump Administration position, garnering the benefits (financial and other) of that position, while at the same time sabotaging that administration. That is not what a professional does nor is that how professionals should act. It is dishonorable conduct. But I am seeing more and more examples of people who should be professionals allowing their personal feelings affect their professional conduct. I don't like Trump as our president I want Trump out of office as soon as possible I never want Trump to have any type of federal political power ever again But, what is happening to Trump by people in his administration is not right. Trump normally gets no sympathy from me, but on this one instance. He has it. I want a Trump Administration to end... but this is the wrong way.
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09-08-18, 07:35 AM | #5334 |
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09-08-18, 09:14 AM | #5335 |
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I’m really bewildered at the number of smart people who think a politburo of unelected bureaucrats stealing **** off the presidents desk is admirable and the right way to run our democratic government at this time. President Trump said that didn't happen and that if it did happen that person would've been fired immediately. The truth in the news has always been suspected and now even more ... the truth is now up to us to discern and I for one do not have the time to do the necessary investigation into the truth. I will wait for this op-ed person to reveal himself to make any further decisions, but these are very serious times, uh?
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09-08-18, 09:15 AM | #5336 |
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Germany has had two examples in just 2-3 generation where democracy was fully abused - right by following its paper rules down to the last letter and paragraph.
The same happens currently in several countries, Turkey being just my most used example. The letters of the country'S laws followed down to the last dot above the i. I understand the American election system, u_cranck, its not as if it were Cricket rules. And every two years major parts of the institutionalised national political leadership level - consisting of POTUS-Senate-Congress - gets re-elected. Every two years a huge share of office holders campaign for getting re-elected. Which means that practically this leadership level and thus the nation is to huge part in a notorious campaigning mode. And politians in campaign mode - don't get me started. You know my song. You play the Vulcan here by acting innocently and sober, fact-oriented. But I think we both know that you know very damn well what I am abaut and what I said and meant, don't you. I agree on one thing, your indication about the left not knowing about Trump. I would say it deifferently, and alreay have said itg int hse words in the past: Trump not os much is strong by himself, but due to the weakness of the kleft, and the fact that the Demcratrs still are unable to produce a challenger/candidate accpetable for protest voters whop voted for Trump. However, due to the change in demograohy and ethnic mix, more and more gfuture voters - as long as they care to vote at all - will vote left and will want socialist policies, hoping they financially get something out of it. The traditional conservative white audience of the Republicans, is dying out. And that will show. Without manipulating the system, they will find it harder and harder to win elecitons in the future, if they do not turn their policies, like Merkel has pushed our former conservative party into all-embracing mainstream socialism as well. Trump'S triump may be just the last resistence of an old lion whose best days already are over. Republican condidates will either adapt to their new voters cnaging demands, or lose. Mind you, by pure ballot count, Trump already was defeated by Clinton: it was gerrymsandeirng what saved him, and Russian interference (I take that as granted, yes). And politicians who seem to be far more left than Hillary Clinton and Barrack Obama, have become popular amongst the young. There seems to be a left scene that even is left of Bernie Sanders. I remind of this: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...postcount=5217 A tinsoldier's pride in standing upright and tall, will not adress any of these problems, nor does it mark a noble or honoruable character. Any soldier - literally as well metaphorically seen - should be very picky whom he stands up for and stays loyal to. Kadavergehorsam, a word that knows no 1:1 translation in English, paves the way to the worst and most malicious deeds committed and accepted in the name of the good and light. Loyalty to oaths and obedience to superiors must know limits.
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09-08-18, 10:48 AM | #5337 |
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disloyalty This person male or female and where ever this person work in the White House and what ever this person works with has an Loyalty to the country and the people who have chosen the sitting President, who is Mr. Trump, and that is important. If this person have some problems with this then this person should have resigned. This is how I see it. Markus |
09-08-18, 12:07 PM | #5338 | |
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Of course there is no 1:1 translation Skybird. We're not Germans . Americans barely tolerate properly constituted authority, let alone be some kind of mindless regimented robots who will kill or die at the whim of a prince or dictator.
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09-08-18, 12:12 PM | #5339 | |
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Interesting piece from another Trump official who tells quite a different story:
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