The CHN/ China thread

[ET2SN]

BTW, keep in mind that China and the PRC have some big problems of their own.

Back in the 1960's, Mao proclaimed that there were too many people to feed. Nevermind that he also proclaimed that the Swallows were eating all the grain (and also a bunch of destructive insects that caused blights) which resulted in a serious blight issue when the insects no longer had any predators.
To fix this, Mao came up with the "single child" policy to curb the population. Which sounded great until you realize that it was better to have male children, who could serve in the Army and work more than females.

In the PRC, its always "all or nothing" so the population accepted only having one child- and most of them were male.
Give it another generation, and OOPS. It turns out that you need females to bear children. As a complicating matter, China is also fairly tribal when it comes to things like foreigners and family blood lines, so importing potential mothers is a non-starter. They might produce more children, but they wouldn't be the right kind of children.

So, China has painted itself into a nasty corner and while they have a large population, its rapidly getting older on average.

They also have some issues at sea. While the Pacific is much larger than many people realize, China is (effectively) almost land-locked due to choke points and poor (shallow) ocean conditions near its shores.
This is why when you read that China has opened a new Navy base, its never in China. They have to, in effect, rent their power projection and basing.

[ET2SN]

This is a very good discussion, but its a little long-winded. So, kick back and make a nice cup of tea.

[Aktungbby]

They have to, in effect, rent their power projection and basing.

...not to mention the first order of business will be the immediate destruction of their 3 carriers for which they don't have a particularly good carrier plane anyway. The 'loss of face' cannot be calculated.

[Jimbuna]

Taiwan's chief trade representative says his country's semiconductor makers will expand production in the U.S. as much as they can afford to do so, but he insists Taiwan remains an ideal place for that production and other U.S. trade, business and investment, despite tensions with China.

John Chen-Chung Deng spoke to The Associated Press on a visit this week to Washington, where he is leading a Taiwanese trade delegation and meeting with U.S. trade officials.

Deng's visit comes at a time of intensifying efforts to harden the U.S. and Taiwanese militaries and economies against any threat from rival China. As part of this, President Joe Biden and Congress are moving to boost semiconductor production on U.S. soil in the event of any conflict disrupting exports from Asia, especially from Taiwan.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...2f0e482a&ei=13

[Jimbuna]

China's "aggressive and irresponsible" actions over the South China Sea and Taiwan, mean it is "only a matter of time" before a major incident erupts, sparking panic across the globe.

That's according to Dr Bec Strating, director of La Trobe Asia and an associate professor of Politics and International Relations at La Trobe University, Melbourne.

Beijing has watched on as Philippines president Ferdinand Marcos Jr and US counterpart Joe Biden have drawn their nations closer together in the face of what it sees as aggression and harassment from China.

Washington has long been an ally of Manila and the two leaders met in the Oval Office this week as part of Mr Marcos Jr's four-day trip to the US.

Such is the rejuvenation in Manila-Washington ties the US said any attack on the Philippines' security forces or public vessels would "invoke its mutual defence commitments".
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...40a19a60&ei=15

[Jimbuna]

[Aktungbby]

in my humble opinion, we should evacuate every living soul(and the coveted computer-chip industry) from Taiwan and then 'nuke it till it glows' and let the neo-commie bastards have it back under their slightly Scorched so-called One China Policy...1945's Hiroshima/Nagasaki blitz with China and Russia as our "allies of the moment" kept everything reasonably Cold War contained for 78 years... It's time to reup the lesson with Japan and VietNam, two croaking frogs around the South China 'pond', now our "allies of the moment"...and VietNam has successfully repelled a Chinese land invasion to boot. It's the cheapest way to deal with 1.4 billion Chinese. They can keep Tibet. Additionally we should copy the Chinese South China Sea illegal sovereignty claim and seal off the Bering Strait to their shipping and unceasing global mineral searching in the Artic seabed; not unlike cutting off Japan's oil access prior to WWII. Russia('eternal friendship' notwithstanding) and Canada would not object vehemently! We already kept China out of Greenland aquisitions; and the North Atlantic by alerting Denmark. And they scream about "encirclement and containment" so!

[Jimbuna]

China opposes any measures that use China-Russia relations as a pretext for the damage of trade cooperation, China's foreign ministry said on Monday.

In response to the European Union's proposed sanctions on Chinese companies over accusations of them aiding Russia's war machine, ministry spokesperson Wang Wenbin said if these sanctions come into force, China will take firm action to safeguard its interests.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

in my humble opinion, we should evacuate every living soul(and the coveted computer-chip industry) from Taiwan and then 'nuke it till it glows' and let the neo-commie bastards have it back under their slightly Scorched so-called One China Policy...1945's Hiroshima/Nagasaki blitz with China and Russia as our "allies of the moment" kept everything reasonably Cold War contained for 78 years... It's time to reup the lesson with Japan and VietNam, two croaking frogs around the South China 'pond', now our "allies of the moment"...and VietNam has successfully repelled a Chinese land invasion to boot. It's the cheapest way to deal with 1.4 billion Chinese. They can keep Tibet. Additionally we should copy the Chinese South China Sea illegal sovereignty claim and seal off the Bering Strait to their shipping and unceasing global mineral searching in the Artic seabed; not unlike cutting off Japan's oil access prior to WWII. Russia('eternal friendship' notwithstanding) and Canada would not object vehemently! We already kept China out of Greenland aquisitions; and the North Atlantic by alerting Denmark. And they scream about "encirclement and containment" so!

Two extra bonus points for creative thinking!

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Two extra bonus points for creative thinking!

...should be 3 points!: 1. using nukes up front; 2. shutting off the Bering Strait to their mineral resourcing; 3. allowing them to retain Tibet. Russia should also retain Crimea imho. Nikita Khruschev should never have given to Ukraine in the first place; with the negotiated 'peace' proviso that all pro-russian elements in the other contested currently attached areas be removed to the Crimea.

[Skybird]

After the past 15 months Ukriane will never be safe again as long as Crimea is Russia'S fixed aircraft carrier and radar and missile platform shadowing into the Black Sea, and cutting off Asov Sea, and all navel traffic foirma nd to Odessa. Ukraine cannot afford to leave it to Russia if they want to survive not just the next 5 years, but 50 years and longer.



Its not a question of "if" but only "when" until russia will strike again at Ukraine to swallow it all up. Ukraine cannot afford to leave the Russians in the game.



Kaliningrad, anyone? This big PITA of NATO?


We should take Kaliningrad. Now that thought is my bonus point to get!

[mapuc]

Right after Soviet had invaded Afghanistan- The US President Reagan came up with the proposal that they should invade Murmansk. The idea was that US would demand Soviet withdraw from Afghanistan in order to get Murmansk back.

His staff talked him from it said it was a very bad idea.

(This was written in Swedish morning paper Arbetet(The working)as a little notice) some years after he was not the President.

Markus

[ET2SN]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

in my humble opinion, we should evacuate every living soul(and the coveted computer-chip industry) from Taiwan and then 'nuke it till it glows'

Think about it, you could also say the same thing about California.

[ET2SN]

Originally Posted by Skybird

After the past 15 months Ukriane will never be safe again as long as Crimea is Russia'S fixed aircraft carrier and radar and missile platform shadowing into the Black Sea, and cutting off Asov Sea, and all navel traffic foirma nd to Odessa. Ukraine cannot afford to leave it to Russia if they want to survive not just the next 5 years, but 50 years and longer.



Its not a question of "if" but only "when" until russia will strike again at Ukraine to swallow it all up. Ukraine cannot afford to leave the Russians in the game.



Kaliningrad, anyone? This big PITA of NATO?


We should take Kaliningrad. Now that thought is my bonus point to get!

As soon as things start to quiet down, set up a shotgun wedding and get Ukraine into NATO.

That territory becomes a LOT more expensive from Russia's point of view.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by ET2SN

As soon as things start to quiet down, set up a shotgun wedding and get Ukraine into NATO.

You must not convince me. But who tells Macronman and Babble-Olaf the news?