Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[mapuc]

Correct me if I'm wrong or have forgot something.

The Ukrainian army has enough manpower but lack weapons, but the weapon they do have is mostly modern weapon from West.

The Russian army lack manpower but has a lot of weapon where most of it is from old age.

Markus

[vanjast]

Originally Posted by Dargo

"The Republic of the USA" I LOL'd for the rest the same Qism NAO go come back when you can write code!

Think of it this way..

Your boat is in thick mist, and a sailor warns you of rocks nearby (how he knows is irrelevant).
Do you ignore the sailor, or do you take precautions.. ( ie change course).

This is the situation.

[mapuc]

A must read I think it is this article. (the most interesting is when you scroll past the article and come down to an interview)

Highlights

Vladimir Putin: "I think he's pragmatic, he's ruthless. He has ambition. He has a goal to resurrect the former Soviet Union, the sphere of influence. And he wants to disrupt and rewrite the post-1991 Cold War order…his ruthlessness is not new. I'm sorry to say that… Putin abhors weakness. So I think we don't want to put him in a position of feeling weakened or beaten or humiliated because that that can lead to further problems down the road."

From the interview

KENNETH DEKLEVA: Of course. The analysis that I do is what I would call 'leadership analysis,' or others have called it 'leadership psychology.' It draws from a long tradition, starting with the process during World War II, when a psychiatrist, Dr Langer, at the request of General William Donovan, prepared with a team a psychological profile around 1943 of Germany's chancellor Adolf Hitler.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/putin-r...gence-matters/

Markus

[ET2SN]

Putin abhors weakness. So I think we don't want to put him in a position of feeling weakened or beaten or humiliated because that that can lead to further problems down the road.

On the contrary, I think Vlad needs to understand how it feels to get his ### kicked.

While we're all concerned about his feelings and not wanting to make too many waves, a lot of people are dying just to keep him happy.

Enough, already. Let him figure out that acting like the world's bully has consequences.

[Skybird]

Monsters like this never have enough, any resistance to them is a provocation to them, and any concession to them is provoking them to demand more. The only way to stop them is by being more brutal than they are: and smashing their monster faces bloody until they cannot hit back anymore, or better: are dead.

Brute force is the only means of communication they understand and respect. Either you are superior, or you are prey. They will never see you as "equals".

If you think that is below your oh so civilizational standard and you are not in the right mood for playing foul and dirty and being brutal to him, then why the hell did you even care to get started on him... Stupid, very stupid to try dealing with him in this indifferent way.

Dont just step onto the dragons tail. If you go into his cave, do so to slay him, not to convince him. The bones you see scattered on the ground are either from weaklings who were not strong enough - or from clever wits before you who came to "convince" him.

Mind you, Putin always reacts with escalation, and he is possibly extremely resentful as well. Don't care to talk. Walk to him and immediately start hitting him into his face with all your strength, and dont stop anymore. If you are not strong enough to keep doing that, you are doomed if you go there, and you are doomed if you dont.

Strength - brute force - is the only thing all this about. Old fashioned, barbaric, brutal force. Diplomatic plans are for getting printed on toilet paper.

[mapuc]

Weakness is what we will see from our leaders here in West.

I am 99.999 % Sure that the response to a nuke attack on Ukraine will be met with strong word and useless sanctions-which mostly will kick back

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has accused Russia of "barbarism" after a missile attack on the port of Odesa.

A landmark deal to resume Ukraine's grain exports - signed hours before the strike - now hangs in the balance.

Kyiv has said preparations are still under way to resume the grain exports despite the apparent breach.

Russia says it carried out the strike, destroying a Ukrainian military vessel and a number of US-supplied Harpoon anti-ship missiles.

Ukrainian military officials have admitted that a ship was hit, but have not said whether it was a military or civilian vessel.

In his comments, President Zelensky said the strike showed that Moscow cannot be trusted to stick to the deal.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62278010

[Jimbuna]

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky says his forces are advancing "step by step" into the occupied southern region of Kherson.

Kherson city fell to Russia early in the war and sits on a strategic location west of the Dnipro river.

On Saturday, UK defence officials reported heavy fighting near Kherson.

The Ukrainian advance meant that Russian supply lines west of the river were "increasingly at risk", according to their assessment.

Earlier this month, Ukraine's Deputy Prime Minster Iryna Vereshchuk urged Kherson residents to evacuate the city as soon as possible to avoid becoming trapped in the city during a counteroffensive in southern Ukraine.

"It is necessary to do so for the Armed Forces of Ukraine not to endanger the civilian population during offensive operations," she told state TV.

Serhiy Khlan, an adviser to Kherson's government, told Ukrainian television the region would "definitely be liberated by September", AFP report.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62283196

[vanjast]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Weakness is what we will see from our leaders here in West.

It's not a weakness, it's due to the fact that they've had all their power removed - they currently are mere puppets under a control group.
NATO for instance, only exists on paper.
All those promises of weapons, soldiers and support has amounted nothing, or very little.

Originally Posted by mapuc

I am 99.999 % Sure that the response to a nuke attack on Ukraine will be met with strong word and useless sanctions-which mostly will kick back
Markus

There won't be any nuke attack on the Ukraine by the Russians.

The Russians actually want the Ukrainians alive to govern their own country without western/NATO influence, hence the limited action over the past few months. The more west 'weapons' anybody pours in there the longer the action will take.

They (Ivan) is waiting for the Ukranians to rebel against their goverment, and by all indications it might be coming soon.


BTW... this is not about supporting one side or the other.. it's just plain common sense the see that the Russains have not yet even started to deploy their forces en masse.
The sooner the west weapon supply for Ukraine dries up, the sooner the death toll stops.

[mapuc]

I hope you're right when it comes to nukes I hope however that you are wrong on the other parts.

Member states of NATO has said as long the Ukrainian fights they will send weapons and soon the Russian fighter pilot will se Ukrainian fighter pilot attacking them with either F-15 or F- 16(they are being trained or are going to be trained)


En masse-Does this not mean that Putin has to declare open war so he can call up the reserves ?

I support Ukraine

Markus

[vanjast]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I
I support Ukraine

Markus

That's fine.

From what I hear, Ukraine is still part of Russia.
It never completed/ratified it's independence from Russia - and why it was not accepted into the EU.
If that is the case.. this is technically not a Russian Invasion, but a Nato/US one.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Weakness is what we will see from our leaders here in West.

I am 99.999 % Sure that the response to a nuke attack on Ukraine will be met with strong word and useless sanctions-which mostly will kick back

Markus

Sanctions...? Sorry, that powder keg is almost empty now. It would be different if the state system in Russia would be comprabale to that in the West, but it isn't, and by what it is instead it poses problems to the West's range for sanctions.



The Rounbles is stronger than before the war, their ifnlaiton is stiöl higher,. but is falling, they nromalize interest rates down (we need to push them up), and Russia is not at all isolate din the world, but has the majority of the globe on its side or at leats not agaunst it.



Politically, the West's position is weak. Economically too. And we give gratis demonstrations to China how not to attack Taiwan, but how to attack it better instead.



We have no reason to be impressed by our performance.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I hope you're right when it comes to nukes I hope however that you are wrong on the other parts.

Member states of NATO has said as long the Ukrainian fights they will send weapons and soon the Russian fighter pilot will se Ukrainian fighter pilot attacking them with either F-15 or F- 16(they are being trained or are going to be trained)


En masse-Does this not mean that Putin has to declare open war so he can call up the reserves ?

I support Ukraine

Markus

Not all the power in Russia are willing to sacrifice their sons in this conflict, dictators always need the approval of all. Cities like Moscow, St Petersburg will allow this operation but not a war.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by vanjast

That's fine.

From what I hear, Ukraine is still part of Russia.
It never completed/ratified it's independence from Russia - and why it was not accepted into the EU.
If that is the case.. this is technically not a Russian Invasion, but a Nato/US one.

I should clarify something

I support the Ukrainian people and I support the Russian people who has to live under a...not so nice President.(it's easy to say they should overthrow him)

Wondering-Didn't Russia accept the outcome of the Referendum which was held in -91 where a little majority voted for independent from Russia. so how can it still be part of it
(I could of course have remembered wrong)

Markus

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by vanjast

That's fine.
From what I hear, Ukraine is still part of Russia.
It never completed/ratified it's independence from Russia - and why it was not accepted into the EU.
If that is the case.. this is technically not a Russian Invasion, but a Nato/US one.

hmm? lmao. You wrote a lot of bull but this beats it.
Ukrainian independence, 1991:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declar...nce_of_Ukraine
The reason Ukraine was not allowed to join the EU had economic reasons.
In the face of russian aggression it is now becoming part of it.
I hope that NATO puts boots on the ground in Ukraine soon, it should have happened already.